Washed and Winning: Atlanta After Dark

Atlanta can feel like two cities at once: the one you love for the food, the sports buzz, and a random night on the BeltLine, and the one that can turn tense fast when ego and weapons enter the room. We start light, talking Georgia pride, gifts, and why we’re aging out of sneaker culture and into boots, comfort, and not treating shoes like museum pieces. Then the tone shifts to what 404 Day revealed, including the ugly side of big crowds and the mindset of stepping outside already prepared for conflict.

From there we get honest about gun culture, what “self-defense” really means, and why the most dangerous situations often start as something small like disrespect or a disagreement. We ask the deeper question that most people dodge: where does that mentality come from? We talk environment, ignorance, narrow life experience, and how public “digital warfare” in Black media normalizes bad conflict habits for regular people watching at home.

We also hit bigger culture stories like Kanye West, cancel culture, and power, plus hip-hop business and accountability through the Gucci Mane and Pooh Shiesty conversation. To close, we bring it back to sports and the city: Angel Reese landing with the Atlanta Dream, what that means for merch and momentum, and why college sports now look more like pro sports every year. If you care about Atlanta culture, BeltLine nightlife, gun violence prevention, hip-hop media, and where sports business is headed, press play, then subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review with your take.

Transcript

Georgia Pride And Gift Talk

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Stunting is a habit. Get like me. Have you ever seen a Chevy with the butterfly?

SPEAKER_05 0:42

Stunt is a habit.

SPEAKER_03 0:44

I'm not centered, am I?

SPEAKER_04 0:47

You aren't? That's about right. There you go. We can all see that that that proud bird logo back there, too. With the great state of it.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

Absolutely. I think I bought it in California. Yeah, I did buy it in California, actually. I'm not surprised. I was at uh San Luis Odisbo. We were down there for a weekend, and um I I saw that in a store, and actually I think it was a gift.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

That's not what the uh yeah, that's not what what what your parting gift from no, no, yeah, but they gave you something similar, kind of though, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, state of Georgia, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

But and a falcon was on it as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Uh yes, there is a Falcon on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:33

Yeah, that's what I thought. I know that it's not that, but like I said, I'm like, no, I remember when you showed me because you you didn't know you were getting it, so you're like, wow, really thoughtful.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Like, yeah, no, that's that that's one of the best gifts I received, probably the best one. Uh, the UGA paddle that I received was a nice one too. Yeah, uh, apparently I represent Georgia everywhere that I go.

SPEAKER_04 1:56

Part of the fabric of many of us, including myself, but yes, I'm sure that that that you you for sure you represent well. You're a native son, you know, and and for you, you you're loud and proud about the idea of not being from Atlanta, which is the way anyone that's remotely close to Atlanta, you know, they feed into the Atlanta um aspect. The idea that you're a Georgia boy as opposed to an Atlanta nigga, it's it's it's uh I'm sure that that and then everybody can hear it in your voice too. So I'm yeah, yeah, bro.

Quitting The Sneaker Cleaning Life

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Yeah, I'm bro. I am Cartersville through and through. I'm sitting here with a pair of probably six-inch in-team shorts on that have shrunk because I've washed them so many times and a golf shirt.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

Yeah, I know that was the first thing we spoke about in pre-production.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Well, you know, like I told you, some people like these outfits.

SPEAKER_04 2:50

I'm sure. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

And I'm one of those people. Uh speaking of, I think I'm about to get off of the whole sneaker wave.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

Hell, I already, I mean, I wear obviously I wear sneakers, but like, you know, I'm a I'm such a plain game now. And it's crazy because I have a very nice shoe collection, but like I wear my new balances every day.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Yeah, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna get a couple of pairs of of New Balance, some all purposes. They're great. I've got it, I've gotta keep some Nikes just in the closet because I I have like Nike like sweats and shit, and I'm not putting on New Balance and Nike sweats because that's tacky. Um, but I'm probably gonna get me a nice pair of square-toed boots and uh some like boat shoes, but not like the sperys we wore in high school, a more adult version of that. And it may be sperry branded, but you know, just a more adult version of that. And I'm just kind of gonna get back to my roots because I like to dress this way, it's comfortable. And uh, dog, I don't like cleaning shoes and keeping shoes clean.

SPEAKER_04 4:03

I'm really against that.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

I know you don't.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Yeah, I was about to say, I wear my shoes when I wear them. I mean, now, yeah, if I spill, if something gets spilled on, I'm gonna clean them, but like in terms of like, you know, niggas will get the shoe, uh, the uh toothbrush and the cleaner. I don't do all that now. If I've got some bleach and I see that it is too dirty, yeah, I'll get a paper towel or something.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Yeah, yes, I I I want shoes that I'm like, oh, let's take a uh Clorox wipe and just wipe these bad boys off and keep it moving. You know, I I don't as much as I like a pair of white Air Force ones, and I I will always own a pair, I don't want to be a regular forces wearer because I you gotta walk funny.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

Do you feel that you are that way currently to where you're saying you want to make this, you know, change?

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Well, I've I've like drifted into it naturally, but my shoes don't reflect it.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

What do you wear to work? Boots, nigga. Okay, so you're a boots, you're a steel toe guy, com toe. Okay, okay. It's funny that you bring this up too, because literally that's why I was at my brother's house. Uh, he's trying to sit sell a shoe collection, and I know people obviously kind of in that industry. Um, look, seriously. I just literally, I just took like a picture of like everything over. That's why it took a little bit longer than I expected. But and he's got some great, he has grail stuff because his shit is from the early two, like he has Jordans and stuff that have not been retro that he's never worn, and with the box and everything, and like um, you know, for him, he just doesn't give a fuck, and it's like it's taking up space. And I'm like, I totally understand where you're coming from because even for me, I'm mad at myself knowing how much money I've spent on shoes, like it's such a waste of money, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

And that's kind of where I'm at with it. I think I'm gonna get me a nice pair of uh square-tote tacovas as my my kind of going out shoes, but it's gonna be a lot. Uh I'm probably gonna get a just a pair of wear-around boots. I'm I'm kind of falling into that that blue-collar guy look. Yeah, and I like it. Yeah, see, I I like those, but what am I gonna do with those?

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Well, they're like a collector's item. Do you see what they are?

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

So I didn't know that these even existed. It's an Amari Stodemeyer Air Force One, and obviously he's getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, which I'm sure we'll touch on just briefly. The Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

I I I I didn't have it in the notes because I didn't care. Uh Amari Stodemeyer is not a Hall of Famer. Well, they have a Hall Family.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

That's why we would touch on it briefly.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Which is now yeah, they just put everybody in that fucking hall. You know what I mean? That that that hall is is the NBA players are a hot dog, and the hall of fame is a hallway. You know what I'm saying? It's just space for everybody to go through there. Just hot dogs everywhere. If you just hot dog your career, you're going to the hall of fame. I don't care. I just told you I'm all sneakers.

SPEAKER_04 7:20

I get it. Now, these are the ones though. Well, you he's got the original stuff of the 17s, and you know that they don't he hasn't rent Jordan hadn't retroed those shoes, but he's got a lot of shit. I don't know if you know anyone that's a sneaker collector.

SPEAKER_03 7:35

I mean, he's got a size 14, so no, the person I know is a 13, and he's probably I I'll I'll I'll call I'll call him and see if he will go up to a 14 for shoes that he likes and can't get.

SPEAKER_04 7:47

And they're originally there, and they're all like a rich, like this, like the defining bro.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

I'm just gonna ask one question and then I'm gonna be done with it. I if he says yes, then then I'll pass the information along, and then everything else can go from there. I I the the the details, I'm not gonna remember those. Uh, but can you carry us for a hot second? Because I've got to respond to a text real quick. I and this is so rude, I apologize. I normally don't text during the show.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

It's very rude.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

I I I know, and that's why I'm apologizing. I'm taking accountability, but I got blindsided here, and I need to address it uh just briefly.

Atlanta Buzz And 404 Day

SPEAKER_04 8:26

Okay, well, you didn't leave me with very much here, but what I do know is that that's what she said. That's a good one. Uh, but what I do know is um the city of Atlanta is on fire right now for multiple reasons.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Um why that Braves fight last night?

SPEAKER_04 8:47

You got that, you've got, you know, I know we kind of briefly touched it last week. You've got new uniforms for the Falcons. I also made a couple moves. I know it's not Falcons first. Maybe we could just now that it's the offseason, Atlanta first, right? Um, you got Angel Reese in town, you've got um, like you said, the fight yesterday, you've got the Hawks are the hottest team in the NBA. It's a lot going on in this city, and I think that that's something that um which is funny because this is to me, this is not a sports town. So it's like it's odd because everybody doesn't really care. You had 404 day this past weekend, which we didn't even get into that. You didn't even ask me how I'm doing. You're over here texting people. I I was out for 404 day, you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah, oh yeah, you were out the day before, too. Couldn't send a nigga Addy, couldn't even wait for a nigga.

SPEAKER_04 9:43

I told you what brewery I was at, but I didn't I didn't remember. Mutation. I literally said it.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

Yeah, you may have said no, you didn't text it. I just said I'm at the you said I'm at the brewery, and I'm like, shit, man. I'm like I was in and out.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

I thought you I my bad. I thought I thought that you knew the name of the brewery. No, yeah, I was it was mutation, it's in Sandy Springs. It's it's like the only one in Sandy Springs, but I don't I don't go to Sandy Springs, me neither. But aside from when I go there, it's right down the street from where I went to high school, and so it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

But you don't go to Sandy Springs, but you went to high school there, you know. Niggas say anything.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

Well, that was also what 15 years ago. I mean, so I it's been a long time since I was consistently going out there, but um yeah, that was a good time. But me and uh my niece, I took my niece out to dinner. We went to Kevin Raffmans. I actually met you, I don't even know. I know you're not a huge radio guy.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

I don't know, and he's Atlanta radio.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. State Shapiro.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

So means nothing to me.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

No, for sure. But that's who I was next to. He actually apparently, and I don't know because I wasn't listening because I was at work, but gave me a shout out.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

Who told you about it?

SPEAKER_04 11:14

No, nobody told me. He said that he was gonna do it because he was like, What's your name? He's like, I'm gonna give you a shout out on the radio. So I don't know if he did or didn't, but that's what I say apparently.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

What what what did your name did you tell him?

SPEAKER_04 11:25

I said Parley P. But um the funny thing is, well, it's so this is what makes it funny. So I'm at Kevin Rathman's. We go at like six, so because I was like, Taylor, we need to go early. I said it's 4 04 today. I said, I have no idea, you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:42

Seriously, we were worried about the why were you worried about the hard hours showing up there?

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Oh, I wasn't worried about that, it was just more of but white people, I mean, they might be like it might be packed, like we might not be able to get a seat at the bar because I was going because my girl works at the bar, so she got to meet Z. But the thing is, is that um we were good, the bar was pretty packed, but we got two seats, and so went there, had a fantastic uh lunch. Well, I guess it would be dinner, it was six o'clock dinner. Um, the Yukon game was on, and that's when I noticed that he was sitting there, he was kind of being an asshole, but he runs Atlanta Eats too, which I knew that already, but like there's this Atlanta Eats is like a thing, like it's a thing. So he runs that, but he also started 790 to the zone. He's the one that started it. Um, but he works for 92.9 now, anyways. He's next to me. We're talking, he had put in a bet on Illinois second half minus four. I took Connecticut plus four, I won the bet. But the thing is, um we had a really good conversation. We were just talking sports and stuff, but um, so shout outs to him. But um, and I hope he did actually reciprocate it that on Monday. I just don't know. I didn't go back and try and listen either. But um, yeah, good time. Um, so we were on the belt line, and then after we left there, we walked over to uh what's the fucking spot where everybody that's in their 20s somethings go because that that was the first thing I was telling Taylor. I was like, um and I know she knows because she's have we been? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's um, you know what it's called, man. It's the most packed spot on the belt line.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Oh, I don't know the name of it.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

Lady, it's not Lady Bird.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I know the place you're talking about. I just don't know the name of it. And they don't pay us, so we don't have to shout them out. That place.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

Yes, so we went there$76 for two doubles of teramana. Excuse me,$76 for two doubles of terramana. So four shots.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

That's two, that's two bottles of terramana.

SPEAKER_04 13:58

Exactly. Or or or I'll do you one better, Lee. That's that's the biggest bottle you can get, plus probably a pike, yeah. So um, yeah, I wasn't expecting that. And obviously, I was feeling good. I want a little bit of money, you know. We just had a great dinner. I don't hang out with my niece by myself that often to work, especially not downtown. Normally it'll be out on the east side. Well, like when you met us and we got lunch. So I don't hang out with her. Her birthday is next week. She's going to Amsterdam in two days for her birthday. She turns 21 finally. So it's like um, I wanted to do something for her, and I I have been dying for a steak dinner. I felt like I deserved it finally. And so um went and did that, but we went there afterwards. Um, and yeah, that was oh, and then we went to Manny's. You know, I always make a pit stop at Manny's because I have to with your guy working there, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was there. That's why we stopped because I drove by, we were going back, we were coming back here, and then I looked in, I see a big white dude with a beard. I'm like, Garrett here. So that's like we have to go in. Um, got another shot there and a little appetizer, and then we took it home, you know. And so um, maybe not the most eventful 404-day weekend, but I I don't even understand when this shit became really something, anyways. But it was packed on the belt line.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

Eric, I think Eric Bellman had something to do with that.

Gun Culture And Public Violence

SPEAKER_04 15:23

I remember when it got it, like, was it uh something, but like at the same time, it was like in full force, and I get it, it's a celebration of Atlanta, basically, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:35

But like it's like hard R celebration, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

It was nigged out on the belt line.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

Um which ended in and just to be serious for a moment, moment, some hard R behavior, and that's the shitty thing about these types of events is bruh, y'all niggas get a day. I'm sure it started as some hood shit, and then got bigger, and then it got co-opted, and y'all end up shooting, you end up killing a 16-year-old girl. I've had a concealed carry permit since I was 22. I I didn't get one at 21 because I primarily lived on a college campus, and you can't have guns on a college campus.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

But the summer after I graduated, I got a concealed carry permit and bought my first pistol. Guess what I don't do when I leave the house?

SPEAKER_04 16:31

Bring it out with you and expect to use it.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

I don't bring, I rarely bring it out with me. Remember, we've talked about this here. When I would travel from Albany and have my pistol with me, where the hell would it go before we went out? I say somewhere somewhere out of the way inside your place.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

You brought it here, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:52

I was about to say when you come here, you bring it here and you leave it here and I I put it up like I have it for travel because it's to protect my my my home.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

And that's the only person I know that actively will actually walk out with this shit and like well, he won't have it shown, but like you know, he he fits the description.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

But it's not even just nigga culture, it's also his southern, yeah, it's southern culture. Like, don't get it twisted. I just yeah, I grew up around guns. Like, I have family members who are gun toters, I'm comfortable around guns. I you know, I think it's weird to take a gun into Walmart, but I I I I dog, I grew up with guns. You know what I'm saying? But I grew up with guns like behind the door, like in the closet. Like, I guns were accessible when I grew up. For sure. And I and I was taught how to use guns at an early age. I got my first my first pellet gun when I was like 10. You know what I'm saying? Like I was hunting by 10, 11. So we I was around guns, they're not weird for me.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

No, I and I understand it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

But as somebody who's comfortable with guns, uh supports the Second Amendment as it's written, not as y'all interpret it for your money. Um I don't go places where I think I need a gun. And I don't think that I need a gun in most places that I go. And people who think they need guns are people who use guns and take lives, and I just try to stay away from a lot of those people personally. But to my bigger point, bro, nigga, go out and have fun.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

It's never that serious, but it is though, for some people, and that's that's the issue. The issue is is that we've created an environment, and when I say we, I don't mean literally us, right? But like this culture has created this environment where people feel like you know, it's kind of just like back in school where hold on which what what what is this culture?

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Just just to be specific, because I don't want to I don't want to respond wrong to what I think you mean by this culture.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

I'll speak specifically for Atlanta, not black culture, but at black culture then. Um it doesn't have to be even black, just Atlanta culture.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

Oh, it's Atlanta, is yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:24

Um, to where everybody thinks that you know you've got to be well, I'm the bad, but basically, if a nigga try me, flights out, like you know, these are it's not made up either. Like these are this is literally, man, this is how people really the mentality that people go out with, they go out with wanting a motherfucker to try them so that they can so that they can use it.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Like, why do why do you think they feel that way? Because before you bash it, let's try to understand how somebody gets there, it doesn't come from nothing.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

Because just like anything else, whenever you step out of the house or just anywhere we have a podcast together and we disagree on things, you don't think that when somebody steps out, they're not gonna there's gonna be some sort there's gonna be some sort of disagreement.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

But hold on, but hold on that let hold on, but but because you're already starting too shallow. Let's dive a little bit deeper. What takes somebody to thinking that the resolution to a disagreement or disrespect or a problem is taking someone's life?

SPEAKER_04 20:31

Well, if you ask the person that would end up actually doing it, they would say that that was never their intention, anyways, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:39

Like, but I'm asking you, well, I'm asking you what do you think gets them there? I don't care about their intentions. So I don't care about it. Because hold on, when you leave the house with a gun, you intend to use it. When you pull out a gun, you intend to use it. That's why I don't travel with that's why I don't go places with guns. When you say, Oh, it's just for self-defense, well, that means you left the house intending to defend yourself. When you're when when you're walking to the mailbox and you don't lock your door, do you take your keys?

SPEAKER_04 21:14

Yeah, I I agree. I agree with you. I again I don't what did Vince McMahon say? I don't write the rules around here, but it gets but gets back to what I literally what I was getting into. It's this this whole I'm trying to start something without starting something, like the mentality, like that is what this is.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

But what creates that mentality? That's what I'm trying where I'm trying to get you to go. Like the mentality exists, we know that it exists, but why do you think it exists?

Why Conflict Feels Inevitable

SPEAKER_04 21:45

So I don't know just because I'm not one of those people either. But the thing is, is that it could be for numerous reasons for some eye, it could be anything, you know. A lot of people like to go back to their childhood and trauma and what they grew up watching, whether it's You know, it could be music, it could be TV, I mean it could be anything, right? But like the specific answer, it's it varies because we're all different. But like at the same time, if I had to put it in and wrap it up in a present, I would just say in general, it's the influence around what you've seen. Like, I mean, it's everything about your surroundings because those are typically the only people that do that. It's the people that grow up in these you said that you grew up with guns around you. I did too. We've had guns. My parents, even in Still Mount, we have guns all over the place at the house. But at the same time, I never once touched them any of that stuff. Hell, I've only shot a gun a few times in my life. Seriously. I've because I've never even gone to a shooting range. I've shot guns at my dad's house before. I've never had to use, and you know, I have a gun too. So it's like, but I don't nobody ever sees it. You know what I mean? Because I don't ever have that shit. Mariana's probably never seen a gun in person.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

Like, but hey, we also grew up comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Yeah, well, now look, now here's another thing. And I and it can happen anywhere. I've been robbed in this house.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not talking about being robbed because that that's totally different. Now that like your dad had guns in his house in case of a robbery.

SPEAKER_04 23:29

There is always a chance, no doubt.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Yes, yeah, yeah. Like, no, no, nobody, no, there, there is there's there are criteria that make you more likely to get robbed, but there is not criteria to to getting robbed outside of being alive. Anybody can be robbed for any reason. So I don't want to take it from you getting robbed, but like the think about the robbers, right? What makes somebody actually become a robber? Because I I because I know we want to shit on the Atlanta nigga culture for not knowing how to act, and we can do that all day long because it needs to be shit on, but also we need to take a step back as black people who take part in some of this cultural stuff, but also have disagreements with it and investigate some of the reasons why people act this way and not just say they're stupid because it's deeper than that.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

People believe in fantasies, and so, like, you know, I again I'm not gonna just say it's just music or media or entertainment, because that's what it really is, right? It's entertainment, but like that is kind of at least if it's beaten to your head repeatedly, it comes from I would think music, because that's the only place that outside of the news, when you see it on the news, if you watch the news at any point, that's the only other place that you're hearing people talking about shooting people, it's typically in like hip hop, but at the same time, you know, you like you said, go inside the head of a robber or somebody that's doing it. Those people came in here and they told me why they did it. They thought I was selling drugs.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Now, I wasn't but no, no, no, you but hold on, you're still uh it's not why they robbed you.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

You they said they robbed me.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

No, no, no, no. Yeah, but it's we're not talking about why they robbed you specifically, right? Because you are just the person that they robbed that day. That was not their first robbery. They didn't see they they hold on, no, no, hold on, hold on. They did not see you and say, hey, you know what? I think today is the day we start robbing. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about I am talking about the mindset of someone who robbed, and you say the music, but you listen to the same music growing up.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

I know, but like so, but wait, two things because I have to catch this before you said now. I'm not gonna lie, I don't know, it could have been them niggas first day, Rob just because of the way that they were asking. No, no, they they were robbers, them niggas are probably six feet under right now because if they catch the person, like but that's they might they they might be, but like you did not influence them to become robbers.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

No, that and that's the point I'm making.

SPEAKER_04 26:19

So, like their reason for robbing you is is pretty irrelevant to the conversation of why people become robbers, but some people are influenced differently because, like you said, if I listen to the same music and I don't do it, well, what's what's their problem and what's not mine, or what am I not getting out of it? Whether I grew up the influence of how I grew up or or whatever, they these are people, man, that they take the the fucking, and I'm not saying Malcolm X, but I'm using his the quote the by any means necessary. Some people take this stuff to heart in a different kind of way. And in the case of somebody that just goes to people's houses and robbers or shows up the 404 day with a gun and shoots in it, just shoots because they run into somebody they don't like, or somebody said something to them, or somebody stepped on their shoe, or some dumb shit, and and they didn't like the way that somebody disrespected them, so they felt like it wasn't self-defense, they were what they brought it out because they wanted to use it, like you like you said earlier. You are coming out with that knowing that you want to use it, but they want a reason to use it too. So very rarely do I think somebody is showing up to something literally just to shoot, because when we see those, those are they're normally massive.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, but you you want to yes, you you you don't just say, I want to shoot, so I'm gonna do that, but you want a reason to shoot because if you didn't want a reason to shoot, you wouldn't bring your gun.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Case in point, you were there when uh the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, but but like no fuck him. Let's let's just let's stay here.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

But but but no, but he's a good example just because he ended up killing somebody. He did eventually, right? But like, and he none of you mean I mean JP knew, but like y'all didn't even know. I knew that he had a gun because he showed us, and I don't know why he showed us.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Yeah, I don't know, but I didn't care that he had a gun.

SPEAKER_04 28:24

But it's yeah, but I'm just saying it's an intimidation factor, and but people feel like they have to be a certain way. That's why I brought up school, you know, yeah, but back in school, but I but like people don't graduate from the school mentality, like well, but yes, but I I keep asking why, and you don't know that's somebody that does it, Lee. I I can't give you the true why, I can give you what I think, but like are you are you are you curious?

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Are you truly curious about the why?

SPEAKER_04 28:55

No, because I've got too many other things to fucking worry about. Honestly, like nah, like like like, yeah, there's a lot of things I want to know about, but like at the same time, I need to figure out other things like that are more pressing than that.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

But you don't think that's more pressing? I mean, shit, nigga, look where you live.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

It's not even that bad over here.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

No, no, no. I'm not talking about your your block, your your your complex.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

Yeah, I'm just saying I am talking about the community.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

But I'm just saying, like the city you live in, you know, the gas station, the Texaco, uh, the Lucas, huh?

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Man, people they be they be going on about their day.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

I know they go on about their day, but those are also a lot of the same people who have that same mindset. And we also know those people more times than not, they ain't bothering nobody. They only bother people in these few instances. And these instances can can go a different place. You know, I just think it's it's an interesting thing to think about because it's so easy to dismiss to dismiss the behavior uh because it is deplorable behavior. But without investigating the whys, I don't think we get closer to a solve. And I think it's super layered, you know? Uh, because it kind of it ties into what happened to Offset this week, where he allegedly got shot by another rapper at a fucking casino. And it's like, hey, you guys are millionaires, and I don't even care about offset's gambling debts, right? That's whatever. Uh that's between him and and whoever he owes. But for a debt amongst millionaires to rise to shooting versus a lawsuit, that's crazy to me. Like, like that same mindset, you see, like that mindset, that's the mindset it travels and the money doesn't change it, right? So I I ask where does it come from? And I I think it's less about the rap music. I think the rap music becomes an illustration of life, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 31:23

It's an illustration of real life, and and they're they're they're reporters, but that's why I said it's the environment.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Like yes, but I think but the environment is so important, and if we get into the causes of those environments, that's a whole nother conversation that we don't do on this show. Um because yeah, you know, those drunk guns and drugs just showed up in the hood one day, you know. You know, you know, the black neighborhoods weren't always violent.

SPEAKER_04 31:56

No, but if you give somebody something to be violent over, they will be.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Yeah, like crack and poverty.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Hey. When it's think about it, whenever somebody is in a situation where it's either you or me, they will always choose me.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

And the worst part is a lot of people think it's you or me, and their their view of life is so limited that it's not even a you or me situation. I mean, think about how many people don't leave their hometowns, don't leave their home states, don't travel, you know, and get these different experiences, don't go to college, don't join the military, don't make friends who come from different walks of lives that challenge your your young, your your immature thoughts to then say, Hey, this Muslim guy's not bad. So I guess they all aren't terrorists, and then you go, Hold on, most Muslims aren't terrorists. You know, these Muslims actually don't give a damn about me more than I give a damn about them, and they're just trying to mind their business and pay their bills and go home. Why do we you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 33:09

Do you when do you chalk that up to, and I'm not saying that that's what this is, but when do you chalk it up to ignorance, right? Like where people, you know, obviously the saying ignorance is bliss. Is it is it because they just don't know any better? Like, or is it because they chose to not want to even know better?

Environment Ignorance And Worldview

SPEAKER_03 33:26

Like, um, I think it's a combination of both and being in situations where that hasn't been challenged because we're talking about the ignorance in the hard R community. Why? Because we care about it and it's relevant to us, but we're viewed as a hard R to somebody. Yeah, but I was at a local same people in reality. Yeah, yeah, but hold on, let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me bridge the gap here. I was at a Republican Party meeting a couple weeks ago locally, and I'm there with a different crowd of people, and I listened to them talking about some Muslims who have moved into the area and has started buying land and building businesses and talking about how bad that is. And I go, I don't want that in my country. And I go, what are you talking about? Somebody can afford to buy property and then build a business. I thought that's what we do in America. I thought that's what the conservative party values are of small business, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so it's like, yeah, but but then you go, oh, you're ignorant too. The way you, if you travel, your travels are different. You know what? You've grown up in the rural south, you've been in the rural south your entire life, your family has been in the rural south your entire life. Oh, your views haven't been challenged in a way that could change your life. Because you know, going to Morehouse, the school is so geographically diverse that you some of your long-held values are gonna get challenged by one of your best friends just because they grew up differently. And I and when you have those experiences, I I think you become comfortable with with different lifestyles that aren't yours because they don't actually affect you. You only care when they affect you.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

But but that's the the case, that's that's the the the point of it is to me, but I think that like you said, it it kind of comes back to the uh it always goes back to the home. I don't give a fuck what nobody says. Now, look, obviously there are people that come from good homes that still do fucked up shit, but that that ain't on a parent or something like that, or a guardian.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

But all but but but but also but also a good home that that's a very relative that that's relative because there are relevant and and the thing is is that I said relative, not relevant, real relative, relative, but it's relevant too.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

But uh I but yeah, I heard yeah, I hear you. But the thing is I I I tell you what, and only because the best experience that I can give is my own. I have always, regardless of where who my parents were, they didn't influence what it is that I necessarily wanted to do, or maybe they did indirectly, and I still don't realize it.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

But yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_04 36:25

I've always but I've always had the mind of somebody that wanted to explore and to do these, like to do a lot of these things that would introduce you to being able to know that's your parents' influence everybody else, and and that's your parents' influence because of how they raised you, sure, but I'm but this is what I'm saying, but indirectly, because they're not necessarily. I mean, now my dad's done it, but of course he's older, right? So he now he can do it, but it's like it's not like it's not it's not like my mom was like, Man, let's go to France or something. Like it's and it and it's not because they couldn't do it, so it's like it's just more along the lines of like something has to spark within somebody to want to be something other than what they are or what what they're told that they're supposed to be. Because look at let's look at just uh just because we are you you brought offset. Let's look at the Pooh Shisey thing, too. That was something that had been rumored, and now basically it's come to light and that it did in fact happen. But the thing is, a nigga like Pooh Shisey, FDO, FDO, he's telling you that again, a millionaire, right? Like, or at least what we believe to be a millionaire, he doesn't give a fuck because of his environment. He's okay with like like he well, well, well, hold on, well, hold on, but hold on.

SPEAKER_03 37:49

Before you even drive your point home, you he was his dad was with him. So fuck the environment is his house. Not that he doesn't give a fuck, he he he does give a fuck because what he was taught is different than the mainstream. Like that's like like what Pooh Shice did, is it's not not giving a fuck, it is having a different principle set than what's socially acceptable. He went with his dad. You do things with your dad.

SPEAKER_04 38:28

When somebody thinks that they can do whatever they want, it'll never end good for them. Well, no, but because that's what the principle of what his dad, I guess, if his dad was with them. See, I didn't know that, but like the the principle of of that foundation that you're supposed to get, basically you told him you can do what you want to do, because that has to be what it is.

SPEAKER_03 38:53

Or maybe he didn't teach him that. Maybe he taught him, hey, this is this is the line of of of respect that you would demand, and if that line is crossed, you you violate and whatever comes, whatever consequence comes with that by any means, but you you accept it because your respect or whatever whatever that value is is the most important thing.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

Yeah, I I think again, we don't know the situation just you know that great, but at the same time, nigga, we don't have to know a situation.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

If somebody is is is on camera robbing and kidnapping somebody with their father, we know enough, we know enough about I'm not even mad at Pooh Shaisty no more. You know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna call how you gonna call a nigga a dumbass for conducting business with his daddy.

Public Beef And Media Incentives

SPEAKER_04 39:55

No, I'm not what I'm saying is is that Gucci man allegedly um whether he tricked that nigga into signing a contract or not, just for him to come back and rob him and make him try and basically get him out of the deal that he signed already, certainly contracts are very important, and I understand that. I have a better understanding of it today than I ever have. That nigga can't that's but that's that by any means necessary that shit to the point where it doesn't matter. Basically, you can do what you want because that's what that's what he thought he could do. He thought he could just do what he wanted when they literally probably could have bought himself, he could have probably got out of the contract without doing it, right?

SPEAKER_03 40:48

Like, or no, or Gucci may would have made Gucci May gave him a number that he couldn't get to or just said, No, I'm not selling your I'm not sell no, I'm keeping this. He did Gucci did the same thing to Flocca. Flocca didn't make music for years because Gucci wouldn't let him out of this contract, yeah. And we've seen it time and time again in music, but but but but hold on, like you're saying by any means necessary, you know, not by any means, you're saying you do whatever you want. Because that's like that's the mentality. But I don't think that's the mentality because there's consequences tied to it, and clearly he was comfortable with the consequences. The guy's been to prison already, so he doesn't view prison the way that you and I view prison. So for us to talk about it from his perspective and what his mentality is, we also have to try to look at the outcomes the way that he would, you know, because we view it through our lens, it's like yo, this nigga's wild. What the fuck is he doing?

SPEAKER_04 41:56

But if you're comfortable going to prison over something you believe in, you don't you're okay when you go to prison, but that's why you can do whatever you want because there are no consequences technically.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

No, no, no, no, there are still consequences.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

No, there are consequences, but I'm saying there are final consequences for you if you're numb to the idea of what the consequence is.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

That means I'm not saying you're I'm not saying you're being numb to the idea of the consequences. I'm saying that you accept the consequences, you take full accountability, and whatever comes with this comes with it. For some people, it's it's I bump, I throw a bunch of money into something that I think is gonna work, and I'm willing to accept bankruptcy. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 42:40

Lee, hear me out. Human being to a mob, what's a mob to a king, what's a king to a god, what's a god to a non-believer? It's the same principle, and why I'm saying it the way I'm saying it, it's it's the sense of there is no like, yes, they accept the consequence, but at that point, there it doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter. No, it no, it does brand scheme, but to them, because it doesn't matter, no, it does matter because you didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

No, no, no, no, no, it no, it's it does matter, but you know what? That nigga didn't rob me. I got my get back. That nigga won't fuck with me.

SPEAKER_04 43:25

And now he won't have a chance to do anything else because no matter what, no matter what, but that's but that's the point, though.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

No, it's not like get out of your brain for a second. Like, hey, some niggas are real deal crash outs and they accept the consequences. You have done you've done some illogical, wild shit, yeah, and you said whatever comes with this, I accept it.

SPEAKER_05 43:51

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 43:53

I'm not talking about when you think you're gonna get away. I'm talking about certain lifestyle choices that. You make shit. We both drink. We know what comes with drinking. We accept what comes with it.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

But but I'm saying it's I'm still we're on the same page. I'm just simply saying that at that point that the rules don't matter. They don't matter. If somebody were to we're getting circular, but rape my daughter, and I decided that it didn't matter what I if I wanted to go grab the gun and go blow somebody's brains out. Obviously, I'm okay with going to jail killed over it. So the rules still matter, but I'm saying that, like because my mind is made up on it, it doesn't mean I was taught that way. Even though to a degree, I kind of was.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

So so Billy, you were taught, you were taught.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Yeah, but see, the you the risk profiles are just different. That's all it is. There are things that it does not matter what the law says, it doesn't matter what what what what anybody's what anybody's moral code says, doesn't matter what judgment comes, it doesn't matter what the fuck happens to you. Certain things will say, you know what, I'm gonna break the law and I don't care what happens. Right. But the rules still matter because there is a consequence that's tied to it, and you've evaluated the consequence, and you say you don't give a fuck because your personal code is more important than yeah, maybe, but I just think it's we mean no, no, no, no. We I think we're meaning the same things, but like I disagree with you saying that the rules don't matter.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Like I don't to that individual anymore.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

I I I don't accept that because I think the rules still matter, they matter in place, but like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:04

So then the rules matter because they're in place, but like aside from that to the individual, it doesn't mean anything, it has no meaning, like it only means something to everybody else looking like that person, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Well, I nigga, explain it that way next time.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

I just did. I I did the no but you you do the king to a god, god to a non-believer. That but the the crescendo of it all is the non-believer to a god. If God is God and somebody doesn't believe, what is it? And that's the rule.

SPEAKER_03 46:39

The God you were 10 minutes into you were you were 10 minutes into the argument when you said that though. You present your best evidence late. Like, hey, let's get a good opening statement, not a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 46:56

Yeah, but they don't introduce for the fucking jury and the judge at the end.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

Yeah, yeah, but you're you're pulling a you're you're more so pulling a Steve because you're like bringing in new information and conclusion. You don't conclude with new information, you just conclude with a bet with a better spin.

SPEAKER_04 47:12

Well, Lee, I like dragging out a conversation to the point where it would get to having that moment as opposed to a clear as day Max Kellerman, Stephen A. Smith. I'm okay dragging a fucking the fucking best shooter on the Warriors. I want Andre Gudala to shoot it.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

I you can say that in the beginning, but no, I I I just for art for conversation purposes and for giving uh the the listener a a a more contextualized conversation when you save like defining points, like defining supporting information to your major point, when you save it to the very end, especially in this format. We've had so much conversation in between where we're actually talking past each other, to where if that information is presented earlier, if there is a true disagreement, we'll actually hash it out on our best points, as opposed to like building up and then ending with the best point, and we had the full conversation and we're concluding with your best point, and now we're restarting the conversation because we're discussing that big point that creates a good conversation. And like I apologize because this is me like low-key producing like mid-show and like getting behind the scenes, and this is normally a private conversation that we would have, but like it kind of just flows with the conversation because on this end, it's hard to debate that way, not even debate to like go back and forth in a conversation because I'll be disagreeing and I'm on this disagreeing hill, and then you tie finally tie it up, and it's like, no, why did we just yeah, but that's kind of like the point, though. That's that's what I but we have organic conversations, we don't want to debate to just agree at the end just because we already agreed.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

We were already agreeing. I just think that I had you weren't articulate, you weren't articulating it something, but we were already like I said, we were saying a very again. You don't agree with how I think an individual would feel in that scenario, but we ultimately agree. Yes, do the rules matter? Obviously, but at the same time, they don't to an individual who doesn't care about them, like the the because it doesn't mean anything, it literally means nothing, even if the rules mean something, it doesn't to that person.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

That's why they're doing what they're doing, like which is why no, no, no, no, no, we're done. We're done. We've talked about this way too long. Like, this conversation's over. We're not we're not getting back into this because you're about to get into a three-minute story. We we've got to push, we're getting circular. I wouldn't get into a three-minute story, but you can't tell a two-minute story. You can't tell a one-minute story.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 50:04

Can you even have a quickie? Are you capable of doing a quickie?

SPEAKER_04 50:10

You know what's happened, but no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

I mean like a planned quickie, not like you get in there and it's quick.

SPEAKER_04 50:17

Oh, for sure. Come on now. I mean, I just know you don't think you don't think niggas have had car sex knowing that they had to hurry up, or I'll give you a better one. Very short story. Julia Turner birthday party. I might have been in his our senior year.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

No, no, no, not as a count. No, no, no. I'm talking about as a grown-ass man. I ain't talking about like college. I'm talking about like 26, 27 plus.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

I haven't I haven't really had the opportunity to necessarily have to do that, aside from maybe, man, I gotta hurry up and go to work type thing. But like outside of that, it isn't like I've never I'm not presented in a situation where I would have to do it.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

Like maybe she's she's cooking, and then you just walk up behind her and you put a little meat to butt, and then you grow a little bit more than you thought you would, so you end up just pulling her pants down and kind of going in, and then she finishes cooking dinner.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

I mean, I've had a scenario like that, but I don't at that point, I guess you know, but you're putting it up against something that's time because depending on what's being cooked, the stove's gotta be washed. You can't necessarily turn it off depending on what it is.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

And that's why it's that's why it's a quickie, it's like just the quick, awkward position, like put her up on the like put her knee up like on the counter, and you're just in there, and it's like two and a half, three minutes tops, and then you're done, and then she gets back to cooking.

Quickies Pressure And Sex Nonnegotiables

SPEAKER_04 51:52

I think more of time. It's I mean, which that is a time thing, but more of like I have to be somewhere. So that more is more or less is what that would be like.

unknown 52:02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

Like something like that. Yeah, yeah, or like, or like and even then, this gets I hate to put another uh it's not a ribbon because I I want to hear what you have to say, but it could be one of those situations where I just don't give a fuck about whatever it is that I gotta do. I'll be and then I'll be late. I don't care about the consequences.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Like I I I was just more so talking about like the plan. I I could just see you not being a quickie guy.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

I I like yeah, I I I'm drawing things out. I I mean, but I don't I yeah, I had a quickie. Yeah, come on.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

Hey, you know, you know what? I'm actually I I'm I if I if I do a quickie, it has to be like super impromptu. Like it has to be totally like off the cuff that we like fade into the quickie. Because if I try to have a quickie, I'm probably uh gonna have performance anxiety and not get it up. Too much pressure.

SPEAKER_04 53:14

Yeah. Well, and not that this is a men's sex show, but it's not, but we're men. Well, and technically, this is it's not all season yet because there's yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

We don't we don't watch the NBA.

SPEAKER_04 53:29

We're not only us are getting ready to start, and that is something that we will yeah, but we used to be league pack, we used to be league past guys. But I think even if we had the time, and we spoke about this in the past, the NBA is just not a good product, so it's kind of like No, I don't like watching it. It's just kind of like, well, who fuck cares about the NBA until we know the niggas are playing and we know who's playing every game, which is the playoffs, but we will have to get into the Lakers, which I guess will be a good segue to get to the NBA.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

My men's sex question was gonna be because because those boys, it's not a sex with men question, right? Just a men's sex.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

No, no, no, no. A men's sex sex, I tell you, a men's sexual health question. How about that?

SPEAKER_03 54:14

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 54:15

Um I didn't lost my damn train of thought on it. Um but it was about to relate to the quickie.

SPEAKER_02 54:23

Um was the quickest I've gone?

SPEAKER_04 54:28

No, no, no, no, no. The question was gonna be well, I know pause. I know you one of your turn-ons that it's kind of gonna be that it was gonna be more along the lines of like, what is something that you think as a man that's a must during sex for you? Oh a must, yeah, and the the one thing that's a must, you know. There's some guys that are like, I can't fuck a bitch unless I'm getting hit. I obviously I know that you had um well, I don't know, but I know like that you had sex, you don't have to get blown to fuck a bit. No, like I know that no, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, but some dudes are like nah, like I've got to get like uh nah, man.

SPEAKER_03 55:17

If I'm rock, I don't need nothing else. Silent, silent as a rock. You think I want to waste some of these valuable moments on on on on your good or bad, like if your especially if I don't if if if I'm not in love with your meeting, it's yeah, if you're test driving a car for the first time, like I don't even know how long I'm gonna be able to drive this car. Let's not let let let's get out the parking lot, let's get on the highway. Yeah, let's open this baby up. Uh, but the most important thing is um a wet spot so that we can have some friction. I ain't trying to start no fire here. If if if you aren't a moist woman, I have nothing for you. I don't care how fine you are. If I gotta if I gotta get the the lube out every time, I'm good. And I also know for somebody who's listened to this, it's like, well, it's on the man to get her there. Yeah, I I know that. But like if I if I can't get you moist, if you're not moist, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've dealt with some leakers in my day, you know what I'm saying? Some real LA leakers. Um and uh you hit a first oh yeah, sometimes they go long, sometimes they go short. I don't know what I'm gonna say. I'm just gonna get to spitting.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

See, so I think for me, I'm not, you know, a lot of dudes, like I said, there are certainly in the past that, you know, locker room guy talk. There are guys that I know are like, man, some niggas do they they act like the man, because you know, which I and I know that this has been in gets back to lyrics of of music entertainment, where some people are like, man, fuck the ass. Like I want I want the mouth, right?

SPEAKER_03 57:12

Like hip hop taught them that, dog. I've I've had some good mouths in my day, but there's not a mouth out there that's better than a good box.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

I even I have had, I mean, I had my dick sucked something serious, but it don't replace the vagina, and there's no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

But like hey, what's that nigga juvenile saying? She sucked my dick, get it back hard.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

Yeah, well, well, right, because really that's like uh what do we call that in uh EMTs? Um, I'm saying like resuscitation, yeah. Cause because like you said, if you're not rock art in that situation for a quickie, if a chip fucking pulls your pants out and spits on your dick, you're gonna immediately react to that.

SPEAKER_02 58:03

Unless that mouth bad.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

Well, but then at that point, then you must be fucked. If you fucked her before, there's no way. Well, no, yet I well, but no, I've had some chicks that have given bad head that I fucked again, but it like but you know, and I I don't like to it's it's like a first impression type thing too when it comes to the city. Oh, yeah, I don't just say chicks are nervous, but like some of them don't pull out all the tricks.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

If she got good mouth, she ain't nervous, you know what I'm saying? Because like to have good mouth, exactly, yeah. Yeah, like if you got good mouth, like you got you practice that, you know what I'm saying? And like you've been told you got good mouth because when like the the the joint, who can really suck dick, right? And there are some chicks out here who suck dick well, excuse me, give great fallacious, right? And they don't even know that they don't even know that they're demons like that. They they they're just good at it, they're pretty good at it. They don't lead. No, no, no, no. I'm talking, no, they don't know they're demons because they don't necessarily lead with the crazy head, right? But then you got some who know that they are demons, they are soul suckers, soul snatchers.

SPEAKER_04 59:28

You sent me a photo of somebody, uh a young lady, and literally the first thing I told you was I think I said four out of ten. I mean, you said, well, it wasn't because it didn't have anything to do with that, but I knew that you said it too because obviously the aesthetic I slept with it. Well, I know I slept with it.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

But the thing is Well, yeah, I was comp I I was I was I was like salute your roster.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

No, no, no, no, she's great, like I aesthetically, yeah, she's very pleasing. But the one thing, and it's crazy because that's the one thing I kind of think about when I see her now. I mean, I'm friends, we're friends, but like at the same time, she's it that's a good example of like somebody that in a situation where she's gonna make somebody happy for all the other reasons in the world. Seriously, because I know I'm not marrying her, but at the same time, that is something that you know it's crazy. That's exactly why I couldn't marry somebody like that, like in a weird way.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

You know what? She does have a lot of really the next question.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:41

I didn't want to cut you off, but that really is actually the next question. Can you marry somebody that you don't enjoy the sex with? No, I'm gonna cheat on, exactly. I'm not speaking, I'm saying just I mean, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. I I I didn't think you would no, I'm just saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:04

Like, I know for a fact I can't do it. Like I can't be that close to doing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Hey, but but but you know, some would say the sex isn't good because you're not getting her there and y'all aren't in tune.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:17

Or well, if you ask uh ludicrous, he said some say the sex is overrated, but they just say doing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:23

Do it right.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:25

Same nigga that said, What did he say? Something I blow her up blue.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:31

I he might be the most underrated rapper out of Atlanta, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:37

Underrated, sure, but it we we already had think about. I know, I know five years ago or six, where it was me, you and Boink, and we put together that list.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

That was one of our best segments. That uh we probably like that that that segments audition tape material for hip hop media for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

Yeah, especially yeah, but we couldn't work for them though.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

We'd get shot.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:05

There's no true hip-hop. Uh to me, I mean, I guess Ray Daniels now kind of doing something like that, and he's not from here.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

You got you you've got oh, you mean in Atlanta? Yeah, like the I don't I wouldn't want to cover Atlanta hip hop, it's too straight.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Like, I wouldn't want to be around the rappers because the big bank dude is more of Oprah, he's like Dr. Phil and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Like, he's not he doesn't do what Joe Budden does, but with Atlanta as his like, yeah, he's I mean he doesn't so like Atlanta doesn't it doesn't exist in Atlanta, and honestly, um I I don't know what it looks like because there's no retired dude because even with T.I.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:56

doing expeditiously, he more so interviews people, like he doesn't yeah, he's not a personality, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:03

There's not a first take version of Atlanta hip-hop, and honestly, ti was too good at rap to be the media guy, like that, but there's right, there's that too. Joe Budden works because he had a hit, he's respected by rappers as a lyricist.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:26

Nothing where he can get a Jay-Z disc.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

I mean, he got a Jay-Z disc, a Drake disc. He he he beat you.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

He signed the uh Eminem.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:36

Well, he was on Def Jam back when Def Jam was Def Jam. Like, no, I know, yeah, he's on M Jam, yeah, but like I'm saying, yeah, yeah, like Eminem, but like, yeah, yeah, but like so, but like Joe's respected amongst rappers as a rapper, so him talking about rap and even criticizing rappers, it is acceptable and respected because he he's done it, but he wasn't good enough. Like, if T I come out and say some shit's trash, it's way different than if Joe Budd says it. Because TI his he had a run of what platinum, platinum, plat, multi-platinum, multi- you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:15

Like T T I had TI has like a seven-year run.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:19

And and and he just came and like with his his his song that's going crazy now, that shit actually slaps.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:26

It's the first you did you I don't know if you saw this, I saw it on Twitter or X, but uh not on Evax. Oh I man, who that's where all the fucking shit comes from.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:36

But point being, I disc I disconnected from it, I just hadn't got tapped back in, and so my algorithm's terrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:42

I'm trying to tell you, I got that's another story, but the point is, yes, TI. So, but that song uh specifically is the first, it's so crazy. It's the first gold uh hip-hop song of the year. Of the year, yeah, and it slaps, and there's been no platinum ones though, but it's the first song to reach even that status this year, but it does it sounds like old TI too. He sounds like he got back in, and and maybe it helps that uh Pharrell is on the beat because it sounded it does sound like a beat that he would have done for him 15 years ago, but like it's a good song, and I'm glad like it even though the 50 cent TI beef it died down, but it was also kind of just corny too, because they're talking about well, he wanted to do a versus he said he would do one now. He's back now, now he's talking about my fucking wife and my kids and shit. But like, and now my kids are dissing them, but like hey, let let's let's stay here, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

You talk about the TI 50 back and forth. We we've got people going at LeBron for what he said about Memphis, so we can we can get to that in a basketball conversation, right? Yeah, but then you have

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

This is an all-culture podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you then you have, you know, you have all this media beef, right? Like it's Steve and and and Whitlock, right? Then Whitlock sits with Cam. So then Steve has to shoot back, and then Ryan Clark has to jump in. Then Mars Fellas has to moderate, then go sit with Whitlock. Then Ocho has to give his take. Then Whitlock has to respond to Ocho, and then Steve responds to Braun about Memphis, and then Matt Barnes responds to Steve, and then Steve responds back to Matt Barnes. And you you know, like what is up with black men specifically? And I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other cultures, I'm just not as tied in because I follow a lot more black culture. Because look at me. Um, my skin is black.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:54

Sorry, but uh acon rap uh uh bringing up acon in a rap song.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:02

But but that wasn't a con?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:05

No, you see, you uh now I just want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Yeah, yeah, but but why do niggas have to beef like this publicly? Like, why like why is this what we're doing as a black culture? If you have a problem, go outs like go outside, and then because these media platforms, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

They're gonna bring we talked about this earlier, Lee.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:29

Yeah, but no, no, no, not not. I know, I know, but but yeah, joke, but these media platforms sponsored by whoever are profiting off of it, and yes, you are getting paid for this, but at what cost? Like this now becomes this is a mainstay in black culture now. That oh, when somebody gets mad, they're gonna take to the airways and air it out. That that's how people think black men that like that's a true description of how black men settle conflict, and these are just famous niggas who aren't normal niggas, but then normal niggas start doing the same thing on their social medias because they think that's how it's supposed to be done, and all in all, I just think it's corny. If you got a problem with somebody, talk to them or don't like why is this digital warfare, Lee?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

It's literally it's a joke, but it literally is what we were just talking about because it's the same thing just in a digital format, but it's not real.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:34

I know none of it is in reality, but but but but see the real but real people look at that and they think it's real and they live it out. That's who well, and that's the target, the easily influenced, like that easily influenced, and I think that's the conversation that you'll never hear mainstream black media, because even the people who are like urban media, they're still mainstream, they're still sponsored and funded by the same people, you know. UPN was part of a major parent network, right? So they're gonna control your programming to some degree.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:12

People want money, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

And that's and that's nasty, bro. Like, y'all are supposed to be quote unquote the the black influencers, the black leaders, the people who are trying to uh make black culture better, make black business better, but what y'all are doing are perpetuating negative stereotypes in a higher tax bracket. So now you're projecting to black people it's okay to act this way, but also to the rest of the world and country that this is how black people act no matter where they are.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

And I salute you for saying that, and that's exactly why I salute even a Joe Budden, because it's the Joe Budden fucking network, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

Yeah, of course he's he no, but but paying him, but yes, and it's and and I can hear how it's how it's changing his his his his uh his his broadcasting. He's Joe's Joe is not independent anymore. He's not independent.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:09

Well, I mean he does he did a prize picks commercial or something, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

So yeah, yeah, yeah. He yeah, and and I don't know who I don't know who funds prize picks. I have an idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:20

You know they're Georgia based.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:22

Yeah, I said who funds it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:24

I didn't say yeah, I have no idea who the owner is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

But like so and the owner. I ain't talking about the owner, I'm talking about the person who owns the owner, yeah, or the group, yes, right. So I don't know, I don't know what their leanings are. I have an idea based on how Joe discusses certain things.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:45

Whatever they whatever brings in the cash.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:48

I mean, well, and I think that especially as an independent media platform, cash should not excuse me, as a host, as a broadcaster, the independent media broadcaster, cash should not be the first thing that drives you because if cash is what drives you, why are you independent?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:14

Like you're meant you would think after a moment, after a minute, like like you have so much money to where well, how much more can you be bought out, anyways?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:23

And so well, but how much can you lose? And what can you lose? And can you lose your earning potential?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:30

I am so glad that you just said that because since we're on this topic, obviously, this is a show where I haven't brought up Kobe Bryant, Matt Ryan, but I'm gonna bring up the next person.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

Yeah, why do you have to why'd you have to bring up those two? They're not relevant to the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:44

You just well, no, you said that one of these three people normally comes up, but Kobe's been Kanye's been the topic.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:53

He's a topic today.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:54

I know, and maybe no, you don't get you you don't get credit. It's so relevant to everything that this dude's been doing. I'm not about to sit here and be one of these like uh dick sucking niggas and be like, man, look Kanye, he's been telling everybody, but the thing is, clearly look at the situation that he's in. If the numbers are true, and Bloomberg is who did it, which I guess that's relevant, right? They said that he made 33 million dollars for the two shows that he did. He generated that in revenue. He's generating 33 million dollars in revenue for a two-night show at an NFL stadium. He's supposed to headline, obviously, it got canceled, they canceled the whole festival, which is crazy. And then somebody got on a podcast. I have it, I'll I'm gonna send it to you. But like they came out and basically said somebody in the UK, and this is like an old white guy, not saying that oh, his word is law, but basically Pepsi did okay it. That's why they that's why they did it anyways. I thought and of course, then they stepped out and then canceled, and then the government shuts him down from traveling. Nobody else but some niggas, bro. They do this. I don't like it. I don't like it's not because I love his music either. I love it. I don't like I love it. I don't like the way that they I love it stuff, how everybody tries to do this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:26

I love it. You know why it's fun. Stop making them money, stop shopping with them, stop fucking with them. If you gotta bend over and beg somebody to make them millions of dollars, don't nigga fuck you. Man, everybody everybody can't beat Kanye because Kanye but that's why he can't be can't Kanye's uncancelable, okay. He shows but he's uncancelable by the people, he will always have the people, and people from different walks of life, people from different points in Kanye's journey. And Kanye is the outlier. When it comes to mainstream, when it comes to mainstream pop culture, Kanye West is the outlier. He has said things disparaging towards black people. He has said things, I don't want to say disparaging. Let me let me let me rephrase it. He said controversial things about black people, he said controversial things about Jewish people. He stood, he stood with the president, he's he's gonna president. Yeah, uh, yeah, you don't, yeah, but you don't really lose anything for going against him, uh, as a black person.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:44

Um nobody black he's got a better standing today because of our current president. A lot of people you bullshit, he shouldn't, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

Enron. And and just nigga, look up Enron.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:01

I know what everybody talking about. Yeah, but exact things the uh how you say you'll be on YouTube and you'll or if not even just YouTube, but the conspiracy.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:14

I don't watch all that, but I know all the stuff I watch in the conspiracies. I I do a lot of actual uh history stuff too. But Bush is no different than Trump.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:25

Make it seem like you would just want that, but I'm bringing it up because you told yeah, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:30

And I I I know I know we're good. I'm just clarifying because we do have an audience, and I don't want people to think that I'm backed in conspiracy. Yes, I I study conspiracies, but I I bounce them off of reality history. It's it's I I actually research to learn, not research to be right, so it's a different process.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:50

It's a good quote.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:52

Um, but we but but the Kanye thing, right? I think it's fucked up. I I think it's terrible, but look at the British dynasty, look at the Brit Brit Britain's offspring. What about the UK made anybody think that a nigga with some controversy who who's caused some problems and upset some people with money is just gonna be able to go over there and do what he wants? No, I didn't even know. So stop bro, stop going over there. Fuck them. Hey, here's what you do, artists, hip-hop, black people, let's not go on, let's not go to UK no more until until they're gonna allow us, right? Because a lot of hip hop wants to kick Kanye out because they didn't like the stuff that he said and he's done, even though some of them whisper it and they fuck with him, right? They they just they don't want to mess up their check. But instead of kicking him out, how about you stand with him? And and you can you can you can denounce, you can denounce anything you want to denounce because it's not about standing with Kanye West, the human being, it's about standing with an artist who has fans, and these fans want to see this artist in their country, and then push it on the fans to to from the grassroots try to get that change happened by influencing their government, and that's their biggest like like uh music festival that they have there.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:25

And you start talking about London is behind New York, probably the second biggest media capital in the in the world. Drake, like Drake headlined it last year, right? And so it's like no, I'm but I'm bringing it up in terms of like the big artist that they'll get, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:42

Well, they they Drake had to go somewhere to do something big at this point last year. No, I like no no no no no Drake. I'm just saying Drake, he was I I know, but but Drake Drake Drake also needed that. It's not like they they they booked Drake off of a heater.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:56

He's big in the UK, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:58

But Drake needed to go somewhere. He he just needed to go somewhere. Pause. Pause.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:04

Well, come on. You got me. I'm glad your soundboard's not working. Motherfucker.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:10

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it would have been even more irrelevant to say new kung fu Kenny, of all things, but yeah, I probably would have to play Boogie Cousins too, the whole the the whole clip.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:23

Yeah, fuck you. And so all I'm saying is is that for a guy like Yeah, to to you know, he does this. You see what it the show looked amazing. I mean, it looked great. Um and for them to be like, no thanks, and you know, he he did do like a public apology. I mean, he did that in January on the Wall Street Journal, but then he wrote another one once it did get canceled and basically said he is willing to meet with the anyone that coming to the buttons, but it's a real thing, which have you listened to the album out of curiosity? Uh yeah, but no, yeah, uh yeah, yeah, yes, nigga.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:12

All right, I listen to albums the day they come out. Okay, I don't wait two weeks.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

No, I'm hey, look, but I I just think that for somebody of his scope, because he is who cares? Who cares of the new millennium? He's one of the five biggest artists ever in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:37

So he should so he should bend over and beg to go to the fucking UK?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:41

No, because now it's already canceled, so he's not bending over. I just think it's more along the lines of I believe, I don't know because I just don't know him, but like I believe he's honestly being sincere about like who it is, and it doesn't, I guess it doesn't resonate or matter to people, but at the same time, they'll never know. But it also gets back to the point of why he said what he said, whether on or off meds, about the idea of who's controlling everyone.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:13

Hey, but but but but but but but but but but here's the thing. But here's the thing if you say these things and these people say, hey, fuck you, we don't want to fuck with you. Why are you begging to go make money with them? Why are you going to why are you begging to make them money? Was he begging or did they choose him? The nigga the nigga issued an up another apology and said, I'll meet with whoever. That's begging. That means you want to go there, fuck them. And I'm not talking about a specific group of people.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:42

They stole that in the fucking so far that night.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:45

Like no, no. All the sponsors were good with Kanye until they weren't good with Kanye. They they they weren't. Yeah, but they didn't have to come out and say something.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:58

But who are we giving the power to then?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:00

I I I'm talking to the United Kingdom, the country that banned Kanye from even entering their country.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:08

It got announced weeks prior.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:10

Yeah, yeah, cool. I got you. But the UK banned him from coming to the country. They banned it once somebody said something, and then somebody, yeah, yeah, but they but they banned him. The the UK banned him. That's a fact. I know everything everything, every no, but everything, yes, but you're adding information to an argument right now that I'm making that's irrelevant. I I don't care when they banned him. They banned him. I don't care why they banned him. They banned it. No, you're you don't know my argument because I haven't made it. I'm sorry. So so yeah, you're adding information, and I know what I'm saying. Like they banned him. That's the only thing that I can point to. I have thoughts based on what happened, but they banned him. Okay, you're banned. Why the hell are you, Kanye, an icon, a billionaire? I don't care if you're not a billionaire on paper. Kanye's worth a billion dollars. Why? Because Kanye can generate a billion dollars. Okay, he can just if he if if those figures are true, he generated 33 million dollars in revenue. Again, that's not profit. He generated 30, he got people to spend 33 million dollars on two in two days, okay? If you have that leverage, you have that earning ability. If somebody tells you no, okay, so what? Kanye crashes websites, Kanye sells out shows, his fans, they travel, he mobilizes them. Bring the people to you. Stop trying to, and this is more of a black people thing. Stop trying to integrate in every place where you're not allowed. Should you be allowed to integrate? Absolutely. But this is a whole nother country with a different constitution. We're Americans aren't owed the right to go internationally and fucking tour. You don't, you, you're not, you don't live there. You don't pay taxes there. Uh, do you pay taxes when you go there and work? Absolutely. But you you're not part of that country. So if they say no, okay. It is what it is. Everything isn't for everybody. Every even if you are international, doesn't mean you can go in every nation. And if they don't want to let you, why should you beg them and go make out cop all these pleas, even if it's true? Even if it's true, you've already said you're sorry, you've already done your explanation. The only thing that you can do at this point is to live differently and hope people forgive you. But but going with your handout, hey, I really want to do this. What do I need to do? No, that's that's not moving from a position of power, that's asking for white acceptance. And we've got to stop asking for white acceptance. We've got to start asking for white respect. And getting white respect starts with us standing up for ourselves, something like, hey, all of hip hop saying, Hey, we're not going to the UK. You know what? We're not going to Europe. You know what I mean? Doing something like that to take a stand to take a true stand and create conversations behind the scenes and get shit moving, that that creates respect, not this other shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:28

I wish I had my wallet on me. I have a one dollar bill in there, but basically, I was gonna flash it. And the reason why is because ultimately that's what stops that one way or another, too. Anyone that aligns with it, everybody they try to associate that type of stuff with it. Like, for instance, Dave Chappelle, somebody who's notoriously another uncancelable person, right? They showed him, or he posted, or put it like something I saw it, it was on Twitter. He's there, all right. Lauren Hill, who is somebody I'm so I couldn't believe that they that she got up there and they did the song together, uh, just because of the history of the song and why she isn't even the original voice on it, right? Because she didn't approve the record when he first came out.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:17

But the idea that they did it, and then um I mean Travis Scott's somebody who what the fuck does that have to do with bending over for white acceptance?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:30

I'm trying to I'm let me let me reel it all in.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:36

Then you have Travis Scott, who also is there, who's somebody that to a degree, I guess, would you say he got they tried to or I don't know the whole astral world thing and people I I I I don't care about Travis Scott, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:52

Okay. Well a lot of popular opinion believes that they tried to basically cancel him because of that. But what I will say is this Kanye you can you can say that like well why why apologize a second time and say that you're willing to meet with people because he more than likely is genuinely sorry. Whether he was how do you know that?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:22

You don't know him.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:23

I I know I already said that earlier, but this is what I'm saying. As a fan, I would like to think that he is, and I don't think that he would go to these lengths unless he was. Whether he misses the money or actually he's genuinely sorry, I just think that he wants to make those wrongs right. Okay. Nobody hates I or no, there are people out here that hate. Me personally, I don't hate anybody. So, but if I say something and somebody takes it, whether it's directly me saying something that directly is a hate speech, but I said it once, twice or three, four, or five times over a span of any period. But I'm apologizing about it because I don't truly feel that way. I will do what it takes to get in good graces. It doesn't mean that you're gonna bend me over or fucking put a muzzle on me, and basically I now I just don't have a voice. You can't end somebody's life over a state, over some people will, but like But that's the that's that's the conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:42

That's that's the conversation. Where's the line? Where's the line of speech? Especially something that's uh free speech is protected uh against you know being jailed in America, but that was also at a time where You didn't necessarily have to have money to just survive in America, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:05

So and that's exactly why I bought up the strap back.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:10

But he's not but hold on, but he's but he's not going to America. He that that's not in America. And yeah, and and making things right with a certain community, you put your words out there, you live, you're at you live, you move on. But if you're gonna try to apologize to every single person to make it right with them, you're never gonna get anywhere. And I don't I don't give Kanye the benefit of the doubt enough because he he there's always money tied behind his good actions. There's usually a rollout tied behind. There's always something coming, even with his apology a couple of months ago. Well, he has an album coming out now that makes fucking sense why he would put out an apology. So I don't give him the benefit of the doubt, but I also don't care because I don't care about what these people say. I care about I care if you're an entertainer, I care about you entertaining, and I only care about you, and that's all I care about. I could I can give a fuck less who Kanye West loves or hates. What's the country guy when I uh uh Shane Wallin? I listen to his music. Why? Because it's good, but that's I don't care about his beliefs.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:20

That's the point of the apology, though. Again, if we care about his music, he's got a PR team like most of those people do. It's not even damage control, it's just like do you want to save your career or not? Do you want to make the music if Kanye dropped an album and didn't apologize? I would have still listened because I'm a hard fan. But there are there are people out here that maybe wouldn't have fucking listened if he didn't he just dropped.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:52

Yeah, but but you but you no no no but you gotta be an apologetic. I don't give a I don't give a fuck. But that's why he's doing it because he's gonna but you did it, you did it, stand in it, stand on what the fuck you did, and we would already did it.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:13

Hey, hey, and guess what? You can't go to the UK now. Get the fuck over. You shouldn't have done what you did. Like, like, I don't agree with that, but that's that's that's the situation. Life has consequences.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:24

Stand on what the fuck you did, so well wait, with that, wait, you don't agree with it, but you're saying this. What do you think? So, what is if you're his concert manager slash PR team, what do you do?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:40

We're going to who we're going to hoop. My strategy coming off of all of his anti-Semitic and perceived anti-Semitic comments, because I don't think everything that was considered anti-Semitic, it was anti-Semitic, so I'm gonna call some of it proceeds. Um, we're gonna go to where we can get booked, but I would look, I would more so look into creating a space for people to find us that we independently own because we are connected to the people. We are not connected to the institutions, and the institutions aren't rocking with us. So I'm only rocking with institutions who rock with us, and I'm or I'm gonna go independent. I'm not gonna beg to go any and everywhere because I understand what his comments did, what his comments does, and how that closes doors. But that's the reality that you have to. I mean, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about creating a concert space independently, like him going to SoFi, that's not independent. Sofi, and and whoever runs that has to still approve of him being Stan Cronky had to okay it. Yeah, so somebody still has to okay it. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about creating a space to where people don't have to okay it. You are the okayer because you have the tie to the people, so and you've proven over 20 years that you can get the people to show up, you can get the people to spend money.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:09

So why would you city ordinance and stuff?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:13

There just is it's it's yeah, I I yeah, but you you figure it out because that's what happens when you when you make those types of statements, you have to live with those kinds of genuinely sorry, or if you're so you want to get your matter, it doesn't matter, but it I don't have to I don't have to forgive you.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:32

I don't care if you're sorry, but at the same time, whether genuine or not, these are the steps you still have to take one way or another.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:42

No, no, he's taken the steps, and people have responded based on the steps. Now, once I tell you I no, yeah, once I tell you I'm sorry, if I'm truly sorry, you're only getting one apology out of me. I'm not gonna repeat myself because my me continuing to apologize to you does not change anything. The only thing that can change your mind is changed action, and I can only do that by living, I can't do that by just talking. I niggas can say anything, you can only show people that you're truly sorry by living, and if people don't want to forgive you, they're not gonna forgive you. So why beg for somebody's forgiveness who you don't even fucking know? These ain't your fucking friends, these people don't give a damn about you. You just want to go make money in whatever space that you want to because you feel like you're good enough to. But guess what? You're not because you did something, you said some things that told people, I don't care how much money we can make together, I don't want to do business with you, and that's people's right. I can disagree with their decision, especially when you're talking about an artist going to a country where the fans want to see him support the fans. What his words, his words may have hurt people's feelings, but but words don't actually do anything. When people say, Oh, I was so offended by this comment. Well, toughen up. Did it actually affect your life? Did the did the words lead to actions that affected your life? Probably not. Racist people don't bother me. Racist people who oppress people bother me. There's a difference. I don't care if you think you're better than me, that's fine. I don't care if you think you're you're I'm lesser than you, that's fine. Are you mistreating me? Are you stopping me from getting the things that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm doing? That's when it becomes a problem. So that's why I have a problem with them doing it to Kanye, but at the same time, they can do whatever the fuck they want. It's their country. Well, if a community or if a certain community that he talks about has influence over major industries, major venues, major sponsors, and their ability to make money and get money, right? If they say, Hey, we're not gonna do business with you if you do business with them, they're entitled to do that. Hey, he apologized. We don't care, we don't we don't accept it, we'll never accept it.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:05

I I agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:08

You can't even comp you can't comp you can't say a positive thing about Hitler today in America and not be called called an anti-Semite. And I do not stand with Hitler and the things that he did, but as somebody who just studies history, you can extract positive things from what he did. The man damn near took over the world, which is what Kevin said. Yeah, yes, like though there are positive leadership traits, leadership qualities, building a culture, military strategy that you can take from Hitler, and I think we should be able to say that, and it's okay. I think we should be able to say things that are that are wrong and offensive to some degree and have a conversation about it to work to right. I don't live in the world of you're supposed to say the right thing all the time because then that means everybody's thinking the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:00

And that's exactly why that nigga ran for president. He was never gonna win.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:05

But the thing is that was stupid. That was stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:09

Yeah, on his end, I think it was a waste of money, but at the same time, I think that the point is is that this dude, he normally a lot of the stuff I think at least, and this is as a fan, and again, it's not you you have a bear cat on your chest, so like relax. It's not a bear, uh, it's a lion, but um it is inspired by one of his artist chains, though. That's the crazy part, but uh or one of his former artist chains, but I have a bear shitting mind. I had the the rug, but but regardless, uh so where's my OVO chain then, Ling? I mean that was the that was what you were always saying. You're over here.

Gucci Mane Testifying And Street Code

SPEAKER_03 1:37:00

I mean, look, I mean look, I I own more than one chain.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:04

Okay. Well, I know the 1017 one you know what the best thing about the and I don't want to get off the conning thing, but we're pretty much done with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:15

No, no, no, we're we're about to close the show out because I I got yeah, it's two o'clock.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:19

I know. Gucci man, though, it's crazy because obviously everybody's as they should be, which is the normal way that they want you to look at anything. Why would that nigga rob him? But you know, back in the day, somebody would have really said something. And I know Briscoe, nobody rapper, right? I guess he, you know, Gucci had the lyric about Briscoe, yeah, and then Briscoe basically he waited 17 years to essentially address it because he couldn't do it over the mic. But this new reform Gucci, which is so crazy because Gucci and Kanye both are bipolar fucking people, and like they've accepted it, and like you see two different aspects of it today.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:06

Yeah, I th I think Gucci has uh infrastructure around him that he trusts, so they protect him from himself as opposed to Kanye. He I don't think he trusts anybody, so he can't be protected.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:19

One's more outspoken, and then I think that even aside from that, like they are also just like I mean, Kanye's he's bigger than Gucci, right? So, like it's like a he's a much he's a pop artist, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:32

But but but the point is that it's just more niche anyway, yeah. Nah, uh, we're not gonna call him niche. No, we're not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:43

I'm saying he is uh Gucci Man, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:47

No, no, but but Gucci Man's one of the best AR slash executives in hip hop, so we're not gonna call him niche. We're not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:55

I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't change that he's more of a niche, like his music is niche, it is niche.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:01

If if you're gonna compare it to Kanye, yes, but in general, no, Gucci Man tours the country, man. Stop it.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:08

I'm not he, I'm sure he's been out of the country, but I'm saying he has a song with Bruno Mars. That's not I'm just saying Gucci's not packing out so far. I they're they're just they're two different parts.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:20

It doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that Gucci's not Gucci, it just is nobody nobody's packing out like five people can pack out so Kendrick is with Sciza because he's gotta have an RB act, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:31

So Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:33

Yeah, but but you're saying you were talking about Kanye packing out so five like that's normal, and it's not like Travis Scott can't do that, and he's a A-list artist. Future is probably a top five hip. He's a top five hip hop artist when it comes to like verses, like if you just go catalogs, but he couldn't do it, but he can't do it, so like he couldn't do it too straight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's so it's a it's a bad comparison to make to anybody selling out so fi because there are so few people who can do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:08

I only I only brought it up because it happened, but the thing is, is that um I'm just saying it, okay. My my grand scheme point was just that they're both bipolar and they both now have been in the media here recently. But the thing is, is that both of these dudes are ultimately, I would assume, like I said, I don't know either of them, but like I think that they're just reformed individuals. That's why, even in a situation like that, people are like, Man, he wouldn't have did Pooch actually wouldn't have done that to 07 Gucci, right? Because the thought actually, and I agree, I think we all agree that if Gucci Man was the Gucci man with the gut and shit, somebody probably ends up dead in this situation.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:51

A lot of people end up dead, yes, because it becomes a shootout in general, based on what we think we know.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:00

Well, yeah, I'm saying it becomes a shootout. No, it becomes a shootout in the studio.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:05

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:06

Somebody's gonna end up dead.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:07

Yeah, damn near everybody's dead, yeah. Uh, but no, Gucci Man's an executive, so he's doing what an executive who doesn't want to go back to prison does. He uh, I had this artist force me into signing a contract. Here's what happened. Oh, they go get the they do the investigation, they go get the artist. And uh his uh Pooh Shici's lawyer came out today and said that Gucci Man is gonna testify on his testify against him. He should. If you're a law-abiding citizen and you remove yourself from that street culture and your goal was to pull people out of that culture and teach them uh a better way, what better example could you have than getting up on the stand to go against your artist, your investment, because that person tried to bring street justice into civilian situations. So you're gonna treat him like a civilian because you are a civilian and he's gonna end up, you know what I'm saying, on chain game.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:06

Like you said, he's he's got a structure around him. Yeah, he he's got a a structure around him, and it makes sense, and that's what he should do because if that is in fact what happened, then I don't see anything wrong with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:23

We know hip hop culture is gonna call him a rat.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:26

Yeah, I know. It's it's either make continue to make money off the nigga while he rots in prison or stand up for the street code, whatever the fuck that means. But those are the two streets that niggas look at it as, right?

Angel Reese And Atlanta Dream Hype

SPEAKER_03 1:42:40

Like, and that's the problem. We gotta get we we've gotta get we've gotta get hood niggas out of the hood and show them a different life, and then we have to take the niggas who aren't from the hood and show them that hood life isn't black life. And damn, we even talk about Angel Reese coming to the aid. Let's let's let's quote. What are your thoughts on Angel Reese coming to Atlanta? You know, like you know, the Barbie coming to the city, you know, she is Yaz Queen, and this is like a Yaz Queen city.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:14

Yeah, she's a city girl.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:21

I mean, isn't that what they say?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:23

I mean, I mean, Wendell Carter, he did he is from here. He went to Pace Academy. That's who she's dating.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:29

So I imagine he lives, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:32

I imagine he lives he lives here in the offseason.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:36

I don't think but that ain't have that wasn't the main reason. No, I'm not gonna say it was, but like the the main reason we did touch on it in pre-production, but the main reason it this is good for business for everybody. Like, I think her jersey, if there's ever gonna be, and I'm sure in Indiana there's plenty of Caitlin Clark jerseys, but if there's ever gonna be a city that will rock a WNBA jersey, it'll be for her here. I oh yeah, I see see that. Oh, golly, we're gonna for real.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:10

That that's just gonna be all over the belt line.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:13

Yeah, like like and niggas niggas and women will do it. Like everybody's gonna do it. White women will, you know what I mean? Like, I I could see like I I think that it's good for business. I think we did speak to it's good for basket. It's a good basketball. If they're keeping the team that they had last year intact, it's good, it's a good basketball move too, because she adds something one way or another to a team and not just selling tickets. Like she will add to the team. Um I think it was a great move by them, certainly, though, from a merchandising standpoint. Like, it makes a ton of sense. For her career-wise, I think it just makes sense. Like, she can do a podcast. This is hot black Hollywood, anyways, right? So it's like it just makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:04

Well, I was just thinking about basketball and you know, the the the dream, what they did. They make the finals or they make the semis. They make the semis in the east, but yeah, they made the semis, they got beat by Indy without Caitlin Clark.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:18

Well, we were both watching that game that night, if you remember what happened. It was like it was like a weird thing at the end. How they Atlanta, yeah, they Atlanta, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:29

Ryan Howard was tripping, that's right. Yeah, um, but I I think it it makes the team a lot better, and and I I support that. And that indie thing just reminded me of one last thing, like just one closing statement for me. I'm following this sports conspiracy thing here. We had the Pacers make the finals, we had the Shock make the finals, we had the damn Hoosiers win the natty.

Why Indiana Keeps Getting The Spotlight

SPEAKER_04 1:45:57

We got the Colts were seven and one. Seven and one.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:03

So you can't major injury ruined the season. We've got Jeff Teague, we've got Pat McAfee, we've got Mark Cuban who went to in to IU. Are we trying to and like they had like the natty at in in they had like college stuff in Indiana?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:19

The like the combine championship was just there at Lucas.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:23

Yeah, the Nashville. What are we trying to turn indie into something?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:29

No, well, but quick question though, because you I did see that when you sent that. Whitlock shoots it. I thought he was in Nashville.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:37

Yeah, but he's from Indiana, he's from Indianapolis.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:40

Oh, all right. I was uh because when I saw I was like, he doesn't fucking shoot there, but like uh good question. I mean, you know, we did business there, and I used to go there kind of a little bit. I don't think like I don't think that India is a bad Midwest like city or anything, but like I don't I don't think that they can turn that into much more. It's one of it's literally the I had to look up the when we started working there, I looked up like everything about it. Like I found out a lot about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:14

When did you start when did you start working there?

SPEAKER_04 1:47:17

2018. Labor Day weekend was our first weekend working there.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:22

It's 2026, a lot's probably changed since then.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:25

No, I'm sure, and we didn't stop working there though until like 03.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:29

But like I'm I'm just I'm just saying, like, with all of this recent stuff that's popping up out of there, like Indiana's not an organic place for what we're seeing, and all of these events being in Indiana, like there are a lot of events that have been in in in Indianapolis, but they've been they kind of have been having like the final four has been going, yes, it has, but we're see more shit happening in Indianapolis. We're seeing more stuff, and I I just think it's something to watch. Where are we at on time? Because I'm done, but I'm just curious where we're at on time.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:08

148 in terms of our game o'clock.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:12

Oh, yeah. You got anything else you want to throw out here before we call it? I gotta try to call the kid before she goes to sleep.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:18

I think that we're done here.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:22

Parlay Pete. We didn't really talk about Michigan either, but College.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:29

They were the most dominant team. Uh, I'm mad because we didn't do a locker room bracket, but I can screenshot and sit. I actually I think Michigan to win the whole thing. So what about uh had a ton of money on them? Even though they were huge favorites, I still was like, yeah, man, they're gonna win tonight. And they did, so it was good.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:49

Uh tell me about uh your thoughts on uh UNC's new coach to close us out.

UNC’s New Coach And Pro College Sports

SPEAKER_04 1:48:56

I I thought it was interesting, and I know that they uh a stat that I read, which I I it totally fucking like skipped my mind that Larry Brown did coach at Kansas. So he's the only NBA champion coach to ever win a national championship, but um actually who the oh yeah, the Pistons. I was about to say, who the fuck did he win with? Because I was like, he didn't win with the Sixers, he was the Pistons coach.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:28

Um I think it's interesting for a guy that I don't know Mike Malone's background. Was he I know he was never a college head coach, but did he was in college, yeah, like in the early 2000s. So I think it'll be interesting, but the I think it's the more telling sign of it is with him there and then Belichick there as well, is that college sports are more pro sports now, anyways, to where you can easily make that transition, and the money is about the same for them, anyways. And same. For top-rated recruits coming in, they're gonna get paid rookie skill contracts in college. So it's like it's weird because it is becoming now what the G League, I guess, the minors uh football doesn't have to tell Europe anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:21

It's not even it's not even G League Minors because I'm saying it's but it's it's two different sports happening at the same time. You have NBA prospects playing college basketball, then you have college basketball players college playing college basketball, and it's like well you there's way more teams, right? Like, but yes, but it's I mean, even I I like the nuance and style of play, but I don't care about college basketball right now. I care about uh uh Mike Malone going to UNC, and he's an outsider, they don't hire outsiders, but so I'm curious to see how the alumni what recruiting's gonna look like and what the future of UNC basketball is gonna be because it's going to be different, it's gonna be really different, and you know, UNC plays a shitty version of basketball, it's not a great TV project.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:24

Do you think do you think Michael Jordan uh had any uh I don't know anything to do with it? Uh it hasn't crossed my mind, like it hasn't that's what I'm asking though.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:36

I don't know, like maybe, but I don't know. I I'm not into I don't know how much he's invested in UNC basketball on a serious note. I also don't know how much his opinion is truly valued. I know they allow him to speak and show up and do whatever the fuck he wants, but be a booster of some sort, yes, but but do the do they actually care what Michael says? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:05

Like I know his logo is on a lot of jerseys, but like they're gonna keep him happy, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:13

They're gonna but do they do they actually value his opinion or do they just use it because he's Michael? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:19

Like you know about that program is that they do offer their players I'm sure Oregon does it too, but like they they can get any pair of Jordans they want.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:32

Yeah, I I I I yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not even hands-on with his own yeah, and that's what I'm saying. And I'm saying maybe Mike doesn't even care about UNC that much, or or he cares enough to be like, I don't want to say anything because people are gonna hang on to what I say, and I'm not smart enough on this. So that's why I'm saying, like, I I don't I I'm open to so many things, pause, uh, that I don't know. And if I said something on here, I would just be pulling a Steve and just talking because I don't like it, but he's the most important man in uh black sports media.

Final Thoughts And Sign Off

SPEAKER_04 1:53:14

Well, media period, I guess, if you ask others, but sports media at least.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:20

But yeah, Steve is the big is the most important or biggest one because he'll do anything for a chick.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:26

And he'll tell you that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He he's a paid actor. He doesn't mind hiding it. He doesn't mind showing it. But hey, man, it's another good week.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:37

It was. I I I I always enjoy these shows where we're we're off the cuff and um we kind of just I know, but I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:51

I didn't look at them the whole show.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:53

Didn't need to.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:55

All right, dah, we'll do this again next week.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:58

All right, salutations, good people.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:00

All right, y'all, y'all have a good week now.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:02

Alright, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:03

Yep.