Coke, Vice, And The Line Between Vices And Values

What if we judged vices by impact instead of labels? We kick off with an unflinching look at cocaine alongside alcohol, weed, sugar, gambling, and porn, and ask a harder question: are you functioning, or is the vice running your life? From there, we grapple with legality versus morality and how the loudest opinions often punish optics instead of outcomes. It’s not about normalizing harm; it’s about being honest and consistent.

That honesty takes us through a risky media “experiment” thought experiment, and into a critique of the spectacle economy that rewards clips over rigor. We unpack the Diddy documentary as a case study in power, image, and control, and then confront “snitch” culture head-on. If the evidence is public, is curation ratting, or are we avoiding accountability by shaming messengers more than offenders? We challenge the idea of exporting street codes to the mainstream when the streets promise poverty, death, and prison—not a life worth modeling.

Sports becomes the mirror. We vent about the Falcons—a franchise trapped in false starts and QB purgatory—and contrast that with fantasy football’s clean incentives. Then we go deep on college football’s broken design: TV-driven calendars, automatic bids that ignore quality, and portal timing that punishes both integrity and academics. We argue for a student-first schedule, smarter guardrails for NIL and transfers, and fewer corporate finance tricks shaping the sport. Bigger brackets won’t fix a system built on perverse incentives; better structure will.

We close on consequences and choice through the Michigan coaching fallout: don’t mix power and romance at work, and if you do, own the decision instead of letting secrecy burn lives. Across every topic, the throughline is clear—set values, measure impact, and accept the cost. If that framework makes sense to you, hit follow, share this with a friend, and drop a review with the one change you’d make to college football right now.

Chapters

• 0:40 Coke, Vices, And Functionality
• 3:46 Judging People Versus Judging Behaviors
• 6:32 DV, Boundaries, And Hard Lines
• 10:11 Experiment: Drunk Host vs Coked Host
• 15:45 Audience Banter And Channel Growth
• 18:15 Weed vs Alcohol: Which Is Riskier
• 24:35 Personal Use, Balance, And Admitting Bias
• 29:22 New York Hype, Media Gravity, Max B
• 36:15 The Diddy Doc: Power, Image, Control
• 41:18 Street Code, Snitch Labels, And Accountability
• 47:20 Internet Culture vs Real Life
• 52:55 Falcons Frustrations And Fan Fatigue
• 1:03:20 NFL Week Rundown And Fantasy Stakes
• 1:20:29 College Football’s Business Problem
• 1:32:40 Fixing The Calendar And Playoff Design
• 1:46:55 Michigan Coaching Fallout And Boundaries
• 2:08:42 Picks, Unders, And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:40

You know, sometimes I just get this feeling on uh Wednesday evenings. And it feels, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 0:55

Even when you talk, it takes so long.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01

I promise you that there was no cocaine done in the production of this entry, guys. Because we know that that's exactly what Cammy uh was talking about, but it doesn't change it doesn't change the record, though, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:15

This is a cocaine song? This is a cocaine song.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18

I don't know. The way that it sounds it I've always thought that. I could be wrong though.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26

You know, we're not gonna do this, but I I honestly wish America was ready for an honest conversation about cocaine.

SPEAKER_05: 1:39

What do you think that that honest conversation looks like and would be a centered around?

SPEAKER_04: 1:47

How recreational and common cocaine use is amongst all demographics in this country. Okay. I mean, because you know the black community is oh nigga, you fuck your nose up. It's like I I know some some uh some highly functional people who use coke regularly. I also know some low-functioning cokeheads, you know, just like I know some high functioning drugs and drunks and low-functioning drunks. I know some high functioning potheads and low-functioning potheads, you know. Like I you know, we when we start talking about the big three in substances, is you know, it's like booze, dope, you know, yeah, nicotine too. Yeah, nicotine, obviously, and then coke, right? And then not rushmore. Let's go for it, you're right.

SPEAKER_05: 2:34

Well, my my my thing would be it's kind of like uh it's sin, sin, right? When it comes to when people talk about somebody's sin versus another sin, but if it's sin, it's sin. Exactly. It's the same thing with with drugs and anything else. It's like, well, vice is vice. It didn't even have to be drugs, but vice is vice. Some people are addicted to porn, they can look at that as a drug. You can look at um being addicted to sugar. There's some people that that that eat a lot of sugar, food. I mean, there are so many different ways that you can break this stuff down, and I guess it just depends what avenue you want to take it.

SPEAKER_04: 3:12

But um, I agree that a conversation around coke would probably um really probably Pete, it's not about cocaine within itself. It's about all of these other outside uh factors for judgment that we place on people that don't uh paint an accurate picture, right? Like we allow these, we allow certain outside things that carry way more weight than it has in in the evaluation of a human being, right? So that's more so what it's about. So I say, like, hey, uh let's not call people dope heads because they use certain drugs, let's call them dope heads because they've allowed the dope to consume their life and they're incapable of utilizing a substance or a vice and still being a high-functioning member of society, or not even high-functioning, a functioning member of society. And it could be dope, it could be lies, it could be womanizing, it could be drinking, it could be gambling. You know what I mean? Like well, DV is different. DV is always well I'm just saying there are some people that get Well, you know what? Honestly, maybe. Well, no, no, no, no, honestly, there's a real conversation around DV that can't be had because people are afraid to have it because it will make them appear that they are okay with DV. But it's like, hey, I can separate it, separate it and say, hey, if two people who came from domestically violent households end up together and they're domestically violent and they stay together and you know what, they they keep that shit in house and they still love each other and they want to be together. As much as it's not my cup of tea and I have an issue with it, as a guy with a failed marriage, who am I to tell them they're wrong? You know, I I just think as a society, we get too caught up in telling people how they have to live in situations that don't really affect them. I would agree. Just just being real. I'm against D V, and if you know me personally and you talk to me about domestic violence, you kind of know where I stand and you know how you know me. I'll just leave it at that. But if it's a if a couple with no kids and these motherfuckers go to work every morning and they fight when they get home, and then they go to work every morning, they fight when they get home, and they're the only two people being affected by it again. The kids' things matter. If that's what the hell they do, it doesn't affect you or me. It doesn't now does it affect family members? It only it affects them as much as they allow it because you have some families who say, Well, maybe you should shut up. Other families be like, Oh, you should leave. Other families be like, hey, it's your life, you're gonna do what you're gonna do. I have my feelings, but my feelings don't matter because I'm not in your shoes. I don't think anybody is wrong in their approach.

SPEAKER_05: 6:37

Me neither, but I guess it gets to the bigger issue here. Um, somebody also in the comments just said, How high are you right now, AC? But um shout out to you for listening, uh, sing Koi 5102. We do appreciate, honestly, the viewership. Uh, it it helps grow the channel. And again, we're just a couple of regular Joes here, but they did want to know how high are you? I'm you do look like you could be a little blazed, but no, no, no, not at all. I know you're not, but like, you know, and we are talking about like drugs and shit.

SPEAKER_04: 7:10

I mean, yeah, we're talking about some risky stuff. Now, mind you, I disagree with domestic violence, I disagree with people allowing domestic violence. I we got to put that out there. That should be understood.

SPEAKER_05: 7:20

Has a channel like Vice ever done something where um you're able to like can you imagine if we did a a like a control group here, right? Let's say I put out a fat fucking line and I just did it here on live, and then you were sitting there just taking shots like every other second, and we're like, okay, we get a drunk host and then a coked out host. And it's like a it's like an experiment in itself, but we're doing what we normally do, we're talking about the conversation, and it's like, does it affect us? Like, and Vice would seem like the perfect group that would do it because they seem like they get into that type of field. But has anyone ever done that, even just like freelance?

SPEAKER_04: 8:01

Like, I don't know, but the question would be not does it affect us, but how much does it affect us? And and you'd like to have controlled conversations, right? Because now now we're getting into like some of the nerdiisms, because unlike a lot of uh black people in media, we come from academia first, so that's how we try to frame things. But you have some of these same conversations without devices, and then you have a person on the vice having the conversation, then a person not on the vice having the conversation, you know what I mean? Like you can have your controls and your different variables, and then really see how much it affects them, and if you could get some type of range of how often they consume said topic, I mean said vice to then determine their functionality. Because again, if you're somebody who uses mind-altering vices, you understand that hey, like the legal limit for alcohol is like this general number that kind of works. Okay, who I don't even know who this guy is.

SPEAKER_05: 9:08

That's that's he that's he said how high are you right now? But they were saying that was cat.

SPEAKER_04: 9:13

Yeah, I know. Good good, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 9:15

But he's listening to us, so we do appreciate it. Uh yeah, we do, but M L D K 5.

SPEAKER_04: 9:21

Yeah, it's not cat, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05: 9:24

There's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_04: 9:25

But well, he can say whatever he wants.

SPEAKER_05: 9:27

He doesn't know, and then then Greg Greg has expensive taste barber also said hi. So hi, Greg.

SPEAKER_04: 9:34

Hello, but hey, Parlay Pete, man, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_05: 9:37

We're doing good, uh Lee. We are uh Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_04: 9:42

Did we close that properly?

SPEAKER_05: 9:45

Not really, but it's okay. We can still transition. We could we honestly can go back, it's still open.

SPEAKER_04: 9:50

Pandora's box is still open. Hey, hey, hey, don't beat your wife, and uh substances affect life affects everybody differently based on their experiences.

SPEAKER_05: 10:01

Well, if you do drugs, let's try not to do them in general. There's a reason why you're not supposed to do them, that's why they're illegal. Or even illegal stuff like alcohol, you're never supposed to overindulge. If you're somebody that believes in the Bible, it doesn't teach against drinking, it teaches against drunkenness. Basically, let's try not to do that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 10:21

But does legality mean morality?

SPEAKER_05: 10:25

Yeah. Uh that's a high discussion. Does legality give more uh uh does legality mean morality? No, but we know that we know that already. But yeah, hey, how you doing? I'm doing pretty good. The we got a listener that the same person that uh sat here that said it was Cap that you were high. He said, Can I give a question? Uh go for it. When you put it up, we'll we'll get to it once you get to it, but just go ahead and ask. But Lee, I am doing fantastic. Obviously, this week again, uh we had uh my daughter's sixth birthday, so that's always really exciting. Somebody turning six, yeah, big six, and so uh six, six, six, but um yeah, it it went pretty well. I had to uh bend my ass over in order to get the cake that I needed to get for her because it was almost impossible to find a K-pop cake, and that seems to be the new rage with that age group. It's not Mickey Mouse, it's not Bluey, it's not uh anything that you can name. Um it is, you know, K-pop. So I had to find that K-pop cake. But it went well. Everything I was surprised. There were so many people that showed up. Um, and uh I am thankful for the village that is beginning to be formed at her school. Honestly, it was about 20-something kids that showed up. Shout out to Yeah, yeah, man. I was surprised. I wish that we could have got the RSVP so I could know how many, because the cake ended up serving everybody, but like I just couldn't get everything that I needed. Uh also, shout outs to uh uh all the parents that that did come through. I got to meet a lot of their parents. Uh we had a Nickelodeon, a former Nickelodeon star that showed up. I'm sure you know who that is, maybe. No, I don't who. Oh, okay. Well, he was on what's the show with uh Britney Spears' sister? Zoe 101, maybe? He was the only nigga on the show, so you should know who that was. But I I know him, I don't know him, know him like that, but obviously he is friends with one of Kator's their act, they have children together. Uh well, I forget his name, honestly. His name's Chris is his name, but Massey is his name because his brother was on that. So Raven, they were both okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 12:55

Yeah, okay, his brother is the is the fake crip uh in LA.

SPEAKER_05: 13:00

Correct. And so they were he was there, honestly. Dapped him up. I hadn't seen him since we were at the club that night. But um club what night? I was at tongue and groove the night I got drugged. Oh drugs, yeah. He his section was right next to mine that night. It was during the NBA All-Star weekend here in Atlanta. Um but yeah, that was the that was the weekend.

SPEAKER_04: 13:22

I was just making sure it wasn't a night that we were at tongue and groove, and and I missed something.

SPEAKER_05: 13:28

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't that night. It wasn't that night. That was the first time I had been since that night, though. That was the thing.

SPEAKER_04: 13:34

And so um apparently I did miss some things that night.

SPEAKER_05: 13:38

Yeah, but how about you, Harry? Yeah, how are you? He's got his question ready. We can get to you first or the question after you.

SPEAKER_04: 13:47

Hey, I'll I'll tell you how I am, man. I'm I'm good, dog. You know, uh, just you know, happy to be alive with a smile on my face, man. I get those two things every day. Uh everything else is a bonus. And if I get life, that means I get a smile. But uh let's let's get to a question from uh from um Singkoi Singkoi 5102, which is more dangerous being high, though.

SPEAKER_05: 14:13

Huh?

SPEAKER_04: 14:14

I said make sure you subscribe too.

SPEAKER_05: 14:16

Oh yeah, please subscribe, anyone that's watching this, but we're gonna go ahead and use which is more dangerous, being high as fuck with weed or be drunk as fuck with alcohol, because weed is illegal in some states, but alcohol ain't for all. Oh then he had a follow-up that said, following that up, should they treat the same legality with alcohol as so as with weed? So you yeah, I I think we we all agree that weed should just be legal, anyways. But as far as alcohol goes, which is more dangerous, I think that we've seen more DUI, like fatal car accidents, right? But now it's hard to quantify it because that brings in a second statistic that doesn't have anything to do with it. Most people in America, most people die of car accidents, like more people die of car accidents than anything. Now booze car accidents are not alcohol, dui or alcohol like induced accidents, though, right?

SPEAKER_04: 15:14

Yo, you've been drunk as hell and you've been high as hell before. Which one are are you a least functioning human being?

SPEAKER_05: 15:21

Weed booze do. I am least I am least functioning on weed. Because I'm ready to go to sleep. That's the thing with weed for me. For me, some people are more they're mellow, but they're up. Like for me, it puts me to sleep. So, like, it doesn't matter if it's sativa or indica. Like, I go to sleep one way or another. So I think it it's like anything else, it's just different with people, depending on who you are. Some people get so drunk that they're gonna fall asleep too, like a Josh Holsey. Like Josh Hulsey, what does he do when he gets drunk? He goes to sleep. I'm not somebody that goes to sleep when I'm drinking.

SPEAKER_04: 15:57

No, no, he gets he gets kicked first, he gets kicked out of the bar, then he goes to sleep.

SPEAKER_05: 16:03

But this is what I'm saying. I don't go to sleep when I'm like drinking. So, but when I have weed in my system, there's a more I would say there's it's more likely that I would fall asleep behind the wheel if I've had weed in my system. Now, it doesn't mean that I'm more impaired or less impaired, because maybe I'm more impaired when I'm drunk. Right? Like, like you could be more impaired driving, but like I am more likely to go to sleep on out on smoking weed or or you know, doing a dab or fucking anything hitting the bong, like any of that will more likely put me to sleep as opposed to.

SPEAKER_04: 16:45

I'm gonna tell you at our ripe old age, if you're still hitting the bong, we've got some problems.

SPEAKER_03: 16:50

But uh, you know, I'm I got spidey senses when in high school.

SPEAKER_05: 17:00

No, when I'm high. But he teleports when he's drunk, so he I get it depends how it hits people. Exactly. It it kind of just depends. I think it depends on the person.

SPEAKER_04: 17:10

Well, yeah, it depends on the person, and I think uh a more focused question would be for avid users of both. What you know what I mean, what which one which impairs you more or whatever.

SPEAKER_05: 17:27

And if there's someone that's balanced enough with it, because most people think about it, there are some people that don't drink at all, that will smoke. Then there's people like me that I guess I I will smoke, but I don't smoke. Like I don't buy weed, like I don't smoke at all. I will smoke, but I don't smoke.

SPEAKER_04: 17:45

Parlay Pete, do you think I'm a good person to answer this question?

SPEAKER_05: 17:51

Yes, yeah. I don't know if you're 50-50 though. I'm about as close as you can get. I think that you can smoke and not drink.

SPEAKER_04: 18:05

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05: 18:06

I can drink and not smoke too, though. Yeah, I know, but I feel like at least the last few times we've gone out, it's been more of I've got some weed on me.

SPEAKER_04: 18:14

And you hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we're on a podcast, man.

SPEAKER_05: 18:19

We'll be okay. We'll be okay. Hopefully, uh the AI doesn't cut it up. If not, you can um you know delete it. I'm not. I mean, you don't want if you don't want this to be out there, you can delete it.

SPEAKER_04: 18:34

Hey, hey, you are being recorded right now. This will be clipped up and put on social media.

SPEAKER_05: 18:41

Damn, I gotta follow my own sword. You you should get that to start to have this as a viewer discussion. That whole nine, yeah. You should, you really should. But hey, you know what?

SPEAKER_04: 18:58

I might, but on a serious note, yeah. I I I lean more to the bud than I do to the booze, which for people who who don't know me very well, that probably would shock them.

SPEAKER_05: 19:11

It would, I'm sure it would. It it would absolutely shock people.

SPEAKER_01: 19:16

Uh influence, whatever. Always. My homie still believes you just hit some before the man.

SPEAKER_05: 19:26

He's saying you're a I. That's what he's saying. I'm assuming that this is what he I mean, I can see the picture, but I'm assuming this is a guy.

SPEAKER_04: 19:34

But hey, hey, shout out to you and your homie, man. Relax. Yeah, start calling him Vlad. Yeah, right. Hey, hey, speaking of Vlad, dog, I I was on uh in my YouTube algorithm, and apparently Big Act has popped back into the algorithm, right? And Ack was breaking down an interview that Vlad did. Vlad interviewed the bro. Uh oh, bro, I'm already here, big dog.

SPEAKER_05: 20:03

Yeah, hey, hey, he's on look, he got it on the same page.

SPEAKER_04: 20:07

Hey, yeah, hey man, real recognized real shout out. But um, but nah, Vlad interviewed the chick that um that New York rapper that everybody cares about that we don't care about that just came home.

SPEAKER_05: 20:19

Max B. Oh, all right. I was wondering, but that's why I don't care. That's what I'm like, I'm like, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04: 20:27

Yeah. But, anyways, he was interviewing the broad that did the setup on that uh on that robbery. And I'm like, and it made me just think about the gravity of being from New York or being New York based and getting some buzz. And because New York was, I mean, it's still the media capital of the country. How much local New York stuff gets projected nationally and can still do well nationally, while most people don't give a damn about New York shit. Like, I'm a fan of the Joe Budden podcast. They talk so much New York bullshit up there, I've become aware of it. And then I be sitting back thinking, yo, who gives a fuck about French Montana and Max B?

SPEAKER_05: 21:14

No, I agree with you. I I mean, again, this isn't uh young thug coming home. This isn't any nigga that really has some hits, and that's no offense to Max B. Max B got a big shout out on I I knew who Max B was prior to this, but obviously he's on the jail call, the Silver Surfer interlude on uh The Life of Pablo, right? And because he and then he had Waves the song, and like Kanye's like giving a shout out, like, yeah, like Waves, like I know that that's the wave. Wiz Khalifa did it. Obviously, French Montana, of course, being affiliated with him. I don't think, like, I don't know, nobody cared, like, just because I mean, who gives a fuck? Like, you know what I'm saying? Ain't Puff, right? Like, Puff's not home. Nobody gets to hear, like, like these are the people he's an underground rapper from New York that never had a hit. I can't name a Max Speed song. It doesn't mean that he's not influential, doesn't mean that he's not that nigga, but he wasn't no Gucci Man coming home. And I know that he did more time than all the people I'm naming. Like, you remember when Boosie was in jail? Like, the Boosie thing was real even here. Well, Boosie was facing life. I know, but I'm just saying, the free Boosie, everything about free Boosie when we were in high school, that was like a big fucking deal. Like, like they made it out to be a bigger deal.

SPEAKER_04: 22:37

You know who shot his first video when he came home?

SPEAKER_05: 22:40

Marv.

SPEAKER_04: 22:42

Hell yeah. Shout out to my nigga Marv.

SPEAKER_05: 22:45

Yeah, look at that. Hey, how often do you get to say a guess what question, and then the niggas right? I mean, you ask it, not thinking that they'll say I don't know who, or they'll give the wrong answer, but then the nigga just nails the question.

SPEAKER_04: 23:00

I was hoping you were gonna play dumb for the audience, honestly.

SPEAKER_05: 23:06

No, I couldn't because I was like, Well, I mean, but hey, you know that shoots has shot some music videos, right?

SPEAKER_04: 23:11

Well, hey, we're talking about uh New York stuff, and you brought up Diddy. We might as well talk about the documentary because I'm telling you, I don't want to talk about that team first. Absolutely. Oh, my man Filipino. Hey, hey, I fucked with the Lumpia and the Ponset. Uh, one of my homies is is Filipino, and they be throwing parties, and it's always great Filipino food. They send you home with with freezer bags full of food you can eat for a week and a half off that shit. Always slapping. Shout out to the Filipino family. I got real love for Filipinos, man. Like for real, for real.

SPEAKER_05: 23:50

Yeah, I know this is completely unrelated, but yeah, I'll give a quick shout out to the uh there's some Filipinos that work at this place out in the mountain. Um now they own it though. They own it. Now, granted, it's a bot, it's a hibachi spot, but super duper cool people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 24:09

Hey man, so the the the the Diddy Doc that was uh executive produced by 50 Cent came out on Netflix uh last week. Uh both of us hadn't gotten through it before last week's show because it came out the day before the show, and niggas have jobs, lives, and kids. Uh but a week's past. Paul A. Pete, did you get time to watch the Diddy Doc?

SPEAKER_05: 24:33

I honestly haven't. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I just Oh my god! I haven't. I mean, you I mean, even a damn. But you know, look, I've got social media and I've seen everything that is talked about, and we know a lot about the story. I don't know about the ins and outs of the recordings that he's suing 50 over now in terms of the stuff that was being shot up until he was arrested. Like, I don't know nothing about that, but I know one of the talking points that they brought up was him and Faith Evans on the I guess it was the MTV Awards or the Grammys. I think it was the Grammys, because they had Sting doing it too. I'm assuming that was the Grammys. And they uh, you know, Diddy, they show this nigga dancing in his white suit to every step, uh to uh missing you. It's not every step I take. That's not the name of the song, but that's not the name of the song. It's missing you. I miss you. It's I miss you.

SPEAKER_02: 25:29

I miss you, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 25:30

Yeah. And uh point being, I saw that. I know that that was a talking point because people were like, wow, he like forced faith to like do this, you know. Um, you know, but that's about it. I mean, what was it that you wanted to speak more in depth about about it though?

SPEAKER_04: 25:51

So honestly, you didn't have to watch it to talk about what I want to talk about because I I think they did a great job of of giving you the different layers of its personality, right? They showed the hustle, they showed the grind, they showed the creep, they showed the freak, they showed the person who's power hungry, they showed how he shifted from square to party nigga. Uh he used to not do drugs and drink, and then he started, you know what I mean? Like once he became when it's like when he became Diddy, you know what I'm saying, or or be when he became Puff Daddy, I don't know. But like he made a transition into becoming a different person when he became a mogul. And if you're somebody who's studied history and people and watched their rise to power, uh it makes a lot of sense. Uh, if you uh paid attention to how he acted, how he acts, uh he's a product of his environment, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05: 26:48

Like aren't they all for the most part though?

SPEAKER_04: 26:51

Huh?

SPEAKER_05: 26:52

Aren't they all for the most part?

SPEAKER_04: 26:54

Yes, yeah. So for me, it although it revealed some nasty stuff, it humanized him a little bit for me. Because it it again, no new information, but a great compilation of a lot of information that we have. Well, not no new major information, right? But it compiled a lot of the information that we care about and oh C Yes, uh I was gonna take it there. I was gonna get there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Diddy, yeah, diddy's just Diddy's are Kanye talked about new slaves, bro. Like, that's what a lot of these niggas are new slaves, bro. Like super rich slaves and and but hold on, but let me clarify this just in case it gets clipped. When I talk about new slaves, it is the idea of you not truly being in control of your life and your opportunities. Like all of us are are a slave to something. Like I like, you know what I mean? If you on the if you on the rat wheel nine to five and build a bill, you're uh you bro, you're you're a slave to your job. It's but same thing with these rich people, bro. Like they get the life, they get the status, yeah. They just have they have to maintain it because they're not actually in control of what they do. But anyways, uh my biggest takeaway from it is Diddy got got Diddy was like pretty much any other powerful person. You got some childhood trauma, you're not as cool as you thought you were, as you wanted to be. So you started doing the cool shit, then you figured out that the cool niggas ain't ain't the wisest, ain't the smartest, they just cool, and you learn how to take what they do that's cool and like mass produce it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that too, and and mass produce it, and then you become cool because it's to create cool, you know what I'm saying? Like it's the same shit, like how Drake acts like a gangster. But Drake ain't really a gangster, but he got people around him that protect him, so he can do gangster shit. Same thing with Diddy, and then he just becomes the cool guy and he gets sick and drunk with power, and then you throw in his odd childhood trauma and some of the people who are around him and the stuff that they that they did in business and what he was taught, and you get this monster. Honestly, it all makes sense. But the funny part about it is niggas like Gene Deal.

SPEAKER_05: 29:31

Because the money wasn't right. I knew you wanted to talk about Gene. Now, what is he in it? No, I think so. No, you you just you just look at his art of dialogue or Vlad interviews.

SPEAKER_04: 29:44

Oh, yeah, art of dialogue, because he was on art of dialogue the next day. Because yeah, he had to let him know that the money wasn't right. Well, that's how he gets paid.

SPEAKER_05: 29:52

That's okay, though. Like, I'm not mad at him. Like, it's kind of like uh it's kind of like the nigga that used to record everything for Rockefeller. You know what I'm talking about? It's this dude, it's this dude.

SPEAKER_04: 30:06

He he be doing shit too, he be talking about Jay all the time, but yeah, so Gene Deal just be talking, and that shit is funny, but so many different conversations about this, right? Did you see this the street guys uh mad at 50 for participating in this because they feel like that's rap behavior? Who are the street guys? I think Ja Rule started the conversation, and then Dame Dash, you know, he he had some employees.

SPEAKER_05: 30:42

Oh, you're saying street guys in rap, not just like streetness.

SPEAKER_04: 30:45

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 30:49

But I just didn't know who you were talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 30:51

Yeah, I mean, I'm not talking about the niggas I work with at the warehouse. Uh no, no.

SPEAKER_05: 30:57

I mean, I figured, but I'm just saying, you know, man, Smack DVD used to be real. I didn't know if they made a comeback, and it was like Gilly out in Philly with like a bunch of niggas talking about Wayne and how he don't write his lyrics like in 05. I didn't know if they were bringing that back. You think I'd watch that? I I don't know. I'm not saying that I think you would. What I'm saying is I didn't know who you were talking about. You know, we was everybody with goons talking about little, and this is 05. These, like I said, smack DVD.

SPEAKER_04: 31:29

And he's talking about little game, no more problems, I'm the problem solver.

SPEAKER_05: 31:34

Yeah, he's saying the New Orleans nick, them niggas, he's like, Man, I was writing Wayne's lyrics, and he's like, Wayne's hot now. He's like, I'm the one that made him hot.

SPEAKER_04: 31:43

He's dead and gone, no more problems, I'm the problem solver. What happened to Wayne after 05?

SPEAKER_05: 31:51

He became a much bigger. I think he got that was the peak of Little Wayne. I mean, so 05 to like I'd say like 12. I mean, some his prime they would say 05 to 09 is his prime. But I'm saying oh five, he didn't he didn't start to lose to me sizzle until 12. Is when it started to go down, really 13.

SPEAKER_04: 32:16

Yeah. Does it matter if Gilly was telling the truth? If the nigga gets better when you're gone? Even if he's even if he's telling the truth, does it really matter?

SPEAKER_05: 32:32

No, no, it doesn't because if he's making dollars, it makes sense, right? Like it just makes sense.

SPEAKER_04: 32:39

And how long did it take Gilly to get back? What 2020, 2019? It took when Wallow came home.

SPEAKER_05: 32:47

It took Gill a minute to get back to the position in which he was um trying to be at. And look, it worked out in the end for everybody. That's what we call a win-win trade. Something similar to Jack Pierce for the Rams pick.

SPEAKER_04: 33:02

Like hey, hey, didn't didn't Jay-Z say if you well, something about if you made home, make another one? Yeah.

unknown: 33:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 33:11

So he heard my made hold, and he said, okay, so make another hole.

SPEAKER_04: 33:18

Yeah, yeah. So you you're picking up what I'm putting down, but back to this whole thing, is uh my biggest takeaways. Well, well, you had the street conversation about 50 rat, and I think that's a an interesting conversation because he quote unquote comes from the street, but now he's in I mean he's corporate. He's corporate. So when do you shed that? Do you shed it? Should you shed it? Uh I I know your answer on that. And but then also off of that ratting part, uh at what point does the the black community uh pla and again I'm not saying other communities don't? I I'm only speaking to the black community because that's a community that I I I'm in and uh I I'm comfortable speaking on it. At what point uh shit, I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah, sorry. At what point do we start giving the the criminal, the bad actor more attention than snitch? Because I'm not into snitch culture unless your freedom is affected by it. That's one thing. I also don't think somebody compiling stuff that's public knowledge, that that's like public record. Damn near everything that was in that documentary is public record or it's already been publicized. I I don't call that snitch behavior, but like I also don't believe in just telling on somebody when it has nothing to do with you. If you are unaffected by something, why are you talking about it? It's none of your business. Now, if you're affected by something, do what you need to do, it's best for you. And if you're involved, I would think that you would be accountable for your actions. Correct. But again, my bigger question is why do why does our community point a bigger a bigger finger at the snitch than the offender? And how can we get out of that? Like, how can we start holding niggas accountable for fucking up and really just get out of this street mindset because you know the streets are pretty much defined by poverty, death, and prison.

SPEAKER_05: 35:34

Correct.

SPEAKER_04: 35:36

So if niggas grow up in the streets trying to get out of the streets, why would we then project to the mainstream that people should follow the street code when the whole goal is to get out of the streets? Like the streets isn't a good place to be, whether it's gangster hustling streets, or even if you're a man, you get to a certain point in your life, boy, it's time to get out the streets and get you a you know, get you an old lady. You know what I mean? Yeah. So those are the things I want to put out there and let you respond to it and see where that conversation takes us.

SPEAKER_05: 36:08

I I just think that all in all everybody can look at a guy like 50 and say to themselves, like now, it's deeper with him, too, to a degree. And I know that he did the interview. Was it Robin Roberts or who did he do it with? Um was it?

SPEAKER_02: 36:29

Yeah, I think it was Robin Roberts, Gail King, same same boss.

SPEAKER_05: 36:33

Yeah. One's ABC, one's CBS, right? Like, that's really the old black lady. Well, yeah, I'll say this. Robin Roberts, at least he kind of got her bones at ESPN beforehand, but like then, you know, Gail jumped. Gail's just how she got it. I mean, yeah, she jumped out of it like she put her best friend. No, no, no, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 36:54

Like, hey, let me get this joke off. Gail just jumped Oprah's bones, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 36:59

Yeah. So um That's a joke. Yes, and so uh, but no, all in all, street culture is, I mean, Jay said it himself. He said streets is done. It's like, you know, George never will walk, but somehow, somehow, it's like, he's like, I don't understand. Streets are done. But because it's kind of true, it's just like, so we're out here like killing anybody. There's no nigga that is willing to sacrifice his for the greater good of a community, but they'll sacrifice it over getting shorter to fifth. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04: 37:39

Like hey, slide for Vaughn, a criminal who signed up for the street life, but don't slide for Trey Vaughn. Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05: 37:48

Yeah, exactly. And so to me, that shit gets that shit gets thrown out one way or another on my end. And I'm not a street dude, never been in the streets. But what I do know, I can say I've certainly come in contact with some street people. I mean, obviously, like many others, not to incriminate myself because it doesn't really matter. I have once upon a time in my life known people that do things illegal. And so it's like, well, even with those dudes, they're normally good dudes, anyways, but like money is the root of it all at the end of the day, because that's why anyone's doing it. Nobody's doing it to say I'm the baddest nigga on the planet. Nobody's trying to be Mike Tyson of the streets, like maybe the YN's.

SPEAKER_04: 38:35

Maybe the YN's, because you know, they ain't really trying to get money.

SPEAKER_05: 38:39

They just I don't go outside enough to see them as much. Uh, but I know that they exist. I see their banter online because I feel like that's kind of what drives the YN's behavior, anyways. Is man, well, this shit gonna get on social media, bro. It's it's gonna blow you like it's it's the wrong way of going about things, like especially them dudes in Jacksonville. That shit that was going on down there at one point. That think that that's kind of old. Those are like OG wise that was like five, six years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 39:08

No, hell no. That's like nah, no.

SPEAKER_05: 39:10

I'm saying maybe the Fullio nigga died recently, but I'm saying in terms of when that stuff was starting, you was still living in Julian's.

SPEAKER_07: 39:18

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 39:20

Was still living in Jacksonville at the time. I used to ask him about it. I'd be like, man, what the fuck's going on down here?

SPEAKER_04: 39:28

Um he was outside, he was outside around all that shit because I know him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 39:33

And so, you know, I I think that it's just it's it's street behavior can be treated as such by whomever cares for it.

SPEAKER_04: 39:41

But I question Hey, hey, hey, hey, quick question. It's a total aside. Do you think that somebody could green light a podcast called Jew and a Jew? And it's Julian Turner and a Jewish person who have a good relationship with each other, but can have honest conversations with each other about life.

SPEAKER_05: 40:14

It only has to be 30 minutes, too.

SPEAKER_04: 40:17

Well, it can't be longer because it won't it won't get at dollars.

SPEAKER_05: 40:22

Well that, but they could just go for 30 and like it literally be it literally be a sparring match on whatever it is that yeah. And and they could go three rounds, it could be three different topics, 10, 10, 10. However, you want to do it. I think it will work because he's a he's a uh very uh he's a very strong-headed person in terms of what it is that he believes.

SPEAKER_04: 40:51

So like and and and guys, Julian is not anti-Semitic by no means.

SPEAKER_05: 40:57

No, no, no, no, no. That's not what we're saying, right? Well, like I'm just saying cleverly, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 41:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But because I called the show Jew and a Jew, and we're saying why it would work.

SPEAKER_05: 41:05

It well, and then it's just a Jew, but but yeah, the joke of it would be he would never he would probably never even call him a Jew. He would just everybody would know that he is Jewish. Bingo. And that Jew's nickname is Jew. It's just called Jew and a Jew because it sounds good.

SPEAKER_06: 41:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 41:24

Uh, please uh uh stream yard, please don't come after us for this. I I promise we don't mean anything by it. Like you ever seen No Country for Old Men?

SPEAKER_02: 41:36

No, you know I don't watch movies.

SPEAKER_05: 41:39

You watch some movies. There's five movies that you that's a good one that you should see. But like have you seen Mr. 3000? Yeah, I've seen it.

unknown: 41:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 41:49

Well, Bernie Mack, right? Yeah, yeah. He's a Milwaukee brewer. Yeah, and and he did what LeBron did. He bunt it so that the team could win instead of getting his 3,000th hit. Just like LeBron, instead of extending his streak, he passed it to Rui.

SPEAKER_04: 42:09

Yeah, because some guys care about the team more than they care about their individual outcome.

SPEAKER_05: 42:12

Well, LeBron's Mr. 3,000.

SPEAKER_04: 42:14

Hey, hey, Chandler Parsons. Up yours. But, anyways, uh, let's get back to the snitch culture shit just a tad bit and maybe get into sports, I guess.

SPEAKER_05: 42:25

Well, you know we're gonna get into that. Uh viewers disclaimer uh advice we will not be giving the Falcons more than 10 minutes of our time, including those three seconds where I just said something about them.

SPEAKER_04: 42:40

And we're gonna try not to give Voldemort any time today. Like, I don't think we should even bring up our fundamental issue with the Falcons.

SPEAKER_02: 42:46

Okay, I'm done. That's five seconds I took.

SPEAKER_05: 42:48

Well, they already know.

SPEAKER_02: 42:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 42:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 42:55

So you want to talk about them?

SPEAKER_05: 42:58

Oh, you want to get to it now. I thought we were gonna close out the whole thing. I mean, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 43:02

I'm just saying we had that we had that awkward silence.

SPEAKER_05: 43:04

I was just like, uh No, I thought because I thought you said that you were like, let me close this out. But yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04: 43:09

Oh no, I was gonna I was gonna let you close it out because I've talked a lot today.

SPEAKER_05: 43:14

Oh, uh, I mean, again, like I said, just all in all, it's street culture is just that. It's whatever they say street culture is. I think it's more internet culture at this point because that's what dictates a lot of different things these days. So, which is why putting shit out on Netflix, street niggas don't fucking have Netflix because they're too busy hustling, they're too busy doing all this, they don't have the money to do it, and that's why they have to hustle because they're in these bad environments, they're not they're not rich because rich niggas aren't in street culture, so that's kind of like supposed.

SPEAKER_04: 43:53

Like you want to hear something so funny since moving back to Cartersville and interacting with people who I have not interacted with in years, and interacting with you know, just different groups of people, uh, with from different life experiences that are not similar to the life experiences of my friends from college and uh the military. Uh a lot of the shit that we consume and talk about and really care about a lot of these niggas are none the wiser, and vice versa. Like, I know about Fullio and Young'a Days because of young niggas and street beef in that one song. I don't listen to their music. I don't like these actually rappers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, niggas be living in totally different worlds, and yo, get the internet is not real life, it is a part of your real life. But what happens on the internet is the internet unless you're dealing with old niggas, because old niggas treat the internet like real life, and whatever you said on the internet, they that that's just like a medium of communication to old people. I'm an old person.

SPEAKER_05: 45:14

You you're an old guy.

SPEAKER_04: 45:17

I mean, outside of like podcast shit, like funny thing. Last week, you know, when I talked about when I understand angry men who come home after doing manual labor and they don't want to hear their wife complain about something stupid.

SPEAKER_07: 45:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 45:36

A guy got in the comments and said, pretty much told me I was terrible and I shouldn't want to listen to my wife. And I'm like, Clearly, you don't listen, buddy, because I didn't say I don't want to listen to my wife. I said I don't want to hear her fuss about stupid shit after I've done manual labor for 10 hours.

SPEAKER_05: 45:52

This is on TikTok?

SPEAKER_04: 45:54

No, it was on YouTube.

SPEAKER_05: 45:56

Oh.

SPEAKER_04: 45:57

You think I read TikTok comments?

SPEAKER_05: 45:59

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 46:01

I do. I read all the comments. I care what the people say who listen to us, they matter to me a lot.

SPEAKER_05: 46:09

Which is why we gave a shout out to Senkoi. He was uh here, certainly he's not here anymore. He was very in tune, and and he gave a shout out, and then shout outs to Greg Epps as well because he got in on it. So we appreciate it. Look, that's the way that this thing grows in reality. If we're not responsive to those that are listening, then I'm not above any of this shit. Like it's great to have people that are gonna interact live, especially live on the show. It's one thing that comment section, like I saw on the page when we talked about Atlanta. Um we had two comments there. I know Big Abe, shout out to Abe. He he went to um he went to high school with me, but then the other person was somebody random, and they spoke about how like season four was 10 out of 10 of Atlanta for the Atlanta clips. So it's like, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04: 46:57

Yeah, you know, y'all were able to bond over that show that I should have watched and still haven't watched, and probably won't ever watch it.

SPEAKER_05: 47:03

It's a great show.

SPEAKER_04: 47:04

I don't disagree with Silence of the Lambs.

SPEAKER_05: 47:12

Me neither. Not in full. I've seen pieces, but I've never seen it in full. But the point is, with that show, unlike Game of Thrones or The Sopranos or The Wire, or uh what's another one that everybody always likes to bring up? Any of those shows, those shows are, you know, what HBO classics that run for five, six, seven seasons with 10, 12 episodes a season, Dexter, shit like that. Atlanta is a show where there's about six episodes a season, you got four seasons. The episodes range from about an hour to an hour and a half, but like they're very good. Like, and you're from Georgia and you've lived in Atlanta, like, so it's like you're basically from Atlanta, all right? Like the COVID show in Cartersville, so it's like it's a show relatable.

SPEAKER_04: 48:04

I so I watched season one and two. Great, I like Atlanta. It when it went away, when it went on hiatus for like two years, I but it's like COVID in between then, too. Yeah, and I just didn't pick it back up because then you know I was with Cindy Kid, we watching our own shows, and like life, life got Atlanta, it was just bad timing. But to that, I just want to throw it out there when you bring up some of the HBO shows, and when specifically the Sopranos, the Sopranos isn't a show, isn't a series that you watch to finish, you watch it to watch it, like you don't want the Sopranos to finish.

SPEAKER_05: 48:50

So just putting that out there, like if you don't like three episodes of it, and that's where it bucks up with me. Not because I wasn't interested, I just that's your problem.

SPEAKER_04: 49:01

You you you you should give it another spin.

SPEAKER_05: 49:04

I like sports so much, Lee, to where a TV show's gotta be like, and because it's so old, I think that that's what turns me off even a little bit too. I wish maybe I was somebody that did get into it when it was fresh and like originally came out. Because like for me, it's just hard to get into something that's that's an early 2000. That's like a that's a Bush-era show.

SPEAKER_04: 49:28

Yeah, but it's it's it because it's a mob show, it's not dated. Like, clearly, it's dated in the setting that it's in, but you know, like mob culture is always pastime. You don't talk about yeah, like we don't talk about present day active mob activity because then that would expose the mob, and and that's why New York costs so much. And uh, but but let me shut up. Um it's because it's it's mob and you expect it to be later on, it still plays really well. Like I I got into I'm trying to think. I got into it uh during the summer offseason. And then I had to stop watching it because well after the papers get signed, I can tell why I stopped watching it.

SPEAKER_03: 50:29

Okay You know, certain scenes make certain people uneasy picking up what I'm putting down.

SPEAKER_05: 50:41

Absolutely, but to put a bow on this in general, the reason it even came up was we appreciate the comments and um stuff. That stuff does mean a lot. It's it's it's what creates the fabric for a show that uh we feel like can get to a point, and I'm hopeful that one day that this clip will be played somewhere. It doesn't have to be on Jimmy Kimmel and be like, you remember you said this on an episode. That'd be pretty cool, right? But like outside of the city.

SPEAKER_02: 51:09

Jimmy Kimmel won't be on TV.

SPEAKER_05: 51:11

No, he well, who knows?

SPEAKER_04: 51:13

Well, he he just got renewed for one more year.

SPEAKER_05: 51:16

Um I can say it, but he might he might have something eventually.

SPEAKER_04: 51:20

I don't know. Look like Grayson Allen and J Dub about got into it. I I I don't know. It's I wasn't even paying attention.

SPEAKER_05: 51:31

So they're not that close.

SPEAKER_04: 51:33

Well, no, I looked, I looked down and there was just a bunch of people on the court and they were getting separated, and then I saw they were the two most hyped individuals, so it was between them. But you know, you know, they don't give us the good replays anymore to see what happened because everybody's in bed.

SPEAKER_05: 51:49

Of course, of course, give me literally 15 seconds, I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_04: 51:53

All right, so while Parlay Pete goes away and and hopefully comes back, um man, I gotta kind of riff here. And one of the things about riffing is you're not supposed to tell people you're riffing, you're just supposed to just lock in and go. But I like to be transparent with you all. And in this moment of transparency, I'm only explaining my riffing because I have no idea which direction I want to go in.

SPEAKER_03: 52:22

So I'm just buying myself time to come up with a complete thought that I can talk about uh until he comes back.

SPEAKER_04: 52:31

So with that, we love the support, and yeah, we're trying to build something, man. And I'll tell you what we're trying to build. We're really trying to build a community, a watched and winning community, people who enjoy what we talk about, enjoy our dynamic, our friendship, uh, people who want to get invested in the fantasy league, people who want to get invested in the stories we tell about ourselves, the narratives we paint about our friends who do show up on this podcast from time to time. We we just want y'all to to feel like you're on the stream with us. You know, so we're all uh like washed and winning together. And uh you know, part of the title being washed and winning is that we're excluding some people, you know. If if you're if you're losing, we're not trying to appeal to you directly. Now, right, we'd like to appeal to you, and we'd like to get you on the winning team. You know what I mean? But if washing winning turns you off, you know that's okay. If you're a YN, y'all aren't washed, so y'all don't relate with well, no, but we don't we're not talking to the YNs yet. We're talking about the things we want the YNs to pay attention to, but then if they lit pay attention to that, then they won't be YNs anymore. So we're not really talking to YNs.

SPEAKER_05: 54:02

If that's well, maybe it's their time to trans transform into you know, it's like being a caterpillar and then you know becoming a butterfly. Maybe it's their time.

SPEAKER_04: 54:11

Well, apparently they've given up the Nike tech fit and now they're wearing quarter zips. And I I for one am not a fan of the YNs wearing.

SPEAKER_05: 54:19

This gets back to our streets conversation. I said it's seems like to me it's an internet battle because that's what that is. That's internet. I haven't seen anybody let's go to the West End if you're free. I don't know what you're doing this weekend. I am free this weekend, Like.

SPEAKER_04: 54:34

I I I was I actually plan to text you at one point today at work, but you know, I can't text you at work. Let's set up the hey, let's get wild this weekend, pause.

SPEAKER_05: 54:46

Let's get some problems. Football is at like a minimum. Not on I'm talking, not even I'm talking about like there's no college on really the Hodman thing is like this weekend. Which I think.

SPEAKER_04: 54:57

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we got Army Navy. You better relax, buddy.

SPEAKER_05: 55:01

Yeah, and well, the under, right?

SPEAKER_04: 55:05

I mean, but hey, look here. If you go watch Army Navy with fans of those schools, it's a great experience. That's all I'm gonna say. Great experience, huh? Yeah, yeah, the experience. Not a great game, but a great experience. Okay, shout out to all my niggas. Hey, but hold on, shout out to my niggas who played in the army navy game. My friends never lost the army. Shout out to them and uh roll uh uh uh whatever y'all say. Uh shout out to the midshipmen, shout out to uh what roll goats, yeah. Shout out to the tradition, shout out to roll goats, huh? Yeah, shout out to Rick, Chew, Duval Jobs, yeah. Uh uh uh uh Duke Wap Jabari Mad Dog. If I miss you, my bad, but then my niggas, so as I say, you got a bunch of them. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm honorary.

SPEAKER_05: 56:06

Honorary, honorary.

SPEAKER_04: 56:08

Let's talk about these unhonorary falcons. I know that was terrible, but who gives a fuck? I'm not greeny. Well, do you want to play? I don't even think we're here.

SPEAKER_05: 56:25

Nah, man. I think that that that thing, we won't hear that until next year. And that depends on what happens in the offseason, if we'll even hear it next year. I mean, I already told you. I already told you. I said if Zach Robinson is here, I had seen it because it popped up in my feed. If Zach Robinson is the head coach, I mean, I'm sorry, if he's the offensive coordinator of the Atlanta Falcons next year, I just say you might have to find a partner. Or at least we just can't talk Falcons at all. Because I'm not gonna do this. I'm not doing this Falcons thing anymore. Things aren't gonna change. And uh isn't this what this ultimately comes down to, Lee? Don't we just want one of these? Yeah, that's all we want. Isn't that all we know? We want a Super Bowl champions hat that says that hey, we are the champions of the world, and we can't forget it.

SPEAKER_04: 57:19

Hey, let me tell you a great story about this apparel thing, right? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05: 57:26

So the apparel goes I'm looking at what you just sent me, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 57:33

The apparel goes out early to the stores. So at my other job, we had Georgia SEC Championship apparel in the store before Saturday, before Saturday.

SPEAKER_05: 57:55

Right. And Bama. No, we didn't have Bama because so they never expected Bama to fucking win.

SPEAKER_04: 58:02

No, no, no, no. Our st like our store is regional. So now in Montgomery, they had the Bama shit. But our like we don't carry much Bama, if anything, because I I went there before I worked there looking for a UT hat and I couldn't find one.

SPEAKER_05: 58:24

Yeah, they're probably just like, why don't you uh fucking lily frog your ass on up to Knoxville then, hippie boy.

SPEAKER_04: 58:31

I mean, bro, it is hard to find UT gear in this state.

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You should want the classic shit anyways if you're gonna wear that bullshit.

SPEAKER_04: 58:40

Well, I wanted just the classic uh orange. Well, I have one of those.

SPEAKER_05: 58:46

I know, but did you want another one?

SPEAKER_04: 58:49

I want a few more.

SPEAKER_05: 58:50

You can never have too many of anything. I mean, ask me, I've got so many hats.

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I want a few more I want a few more UT quarter zips, and I want some more Morehouse quarter zips. Uh, and I think I want to start getting into some of the uh the vintage UT uh hats.

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That's where I'd go. The vintage stuff.

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I think I'm about to be uh old school snapback and uh straight backs guy.

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Yeah. Straight backs, like straight backs as in braids, yeah.

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Yeah, straight backs, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 59:25

You gonna grow your hair out that long?

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It's I can braid my hair now if I wanted to.

SPEAKER_05: 59:31

Really?

SPEAKER_04: 59:32

Yeah, I'd I'd have respectable uh temp fate braids.

SPEAKER_05: 59:38

It's not a what about the hang time? That's what matters.

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I I said respectable uh temp fate.

SPEAKER_05: 59:44

You said tempate braids. That doesn't mean what does that have to do with hang time? I didn't think it wouldn't look bad. I'm saying, well, how uh does it go back to your your your what would say there's a reason why uh my hair is not burning.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:01

My hang time is respectable, but not where I want it. I don't w like once I braid my hair, it's not gonna be close. You know what I mean? Okay. And you know, they start it too early.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:20

Lock journey.

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Yeah. You know, guys with locks.

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Yeah, I know I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and and you know, when there's guys whose hair is as long as mine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:34

And granted, uh you don't see my hair and know how long it is because it's always crinkled up because I got nappy hard R hair. But I'm like, hey big dog, you should you should have just kept the the nappy fro, bro. Like that shit looks terrible.

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Yeah.

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Uh but let's talk about the Falcons. I guess you watched them. I didn't. I I was working.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:00

Yeah, I watched the Falcons play. Um shout outs to Josh Holsey. I was more so on red zone, anyways, because after a certain point, you just don't really watch it. But um, what I will say is that I did watch. Um first half, obviously it was 6'6 at the half, pretty competitive. I thought that they missed out on some opportunities to get six as opposed to three, but what's new? Right? Um they were putting pressure on Sam Darrell. Sam Darrell, and then we talked about this last week, that Sam Darrell was kind of just like how Daniel Jones, which we'll get to that whole thing too, but like Daniel Jones, they kind of start reverting back to their old sales, and you could see these turnover prone quarterbacks that you can get to that will cough it up, that will give you an um incoherent type interception play. These were things that that that were possible in this game because of where Atlanta ranks, not just in sacks, but in pressure rate. Enter James Pierce, enter Jalen Walker. Like these these were these were things that were were possible, and that was how the whole first half played. Then you kick off the second half with again, the thing that probably lost you the Jets game, a special teams blunder. Rasheed Shahid, former Saint, embraces the villainous role and runs one back for it. It was the longest play of the year. So that should say enough in itself. They kick off that way. We get the ball. Kirk goes through it out. They get the ball, they go down the field. JSN gets in. Shout outs to him. We'll get to fantasy football as well. And our um speaking fantasy. I mean, I scored 146 points, Lee. I nobody I looked at you guys as teams. I know maybe you didn't. It didn't matter if you guys set your lines how you wanted. I would have outscored. I like one 13. You played well, but I would have beat. It doesn't matter who the fuck I would have played. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:05

Oh, yeah, no, you no, you went, you went, you went crazy. I checked.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:07

Do I play you this week? No, you got Nico. Which Nico's got some tough matchups. We'll get the fan. We'll touch on that. But point being, um, yeah, Seattle look like the team that they are. They're a 10-3 football team. We are a, what are we? We are 4-9.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:26

I don't know. Bad.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:29

They're a 10-3 football team. We're a four-and-nine football team. Uh, we've lost seven of our last eight. Uh, our coach has the lowest winning percentage in the NFL of all current coaches. Um, hold on. I don't want to miss anything. Um, we have a fair weather fan base to begin with, and at this point it's actually warranted. I wouldn't be showing up and cheering for this shit either. I mean, that's why, I mean, look, I haven't made any effort to really go to a game outside of, I guess I was at week one, but like, made no effort to go to games. And granted, I guess we have see I have like we got season tickets and stuff, but like it, you know, I just don't even feel the need. It didn't even matter to me. And so, um, yeah, it was m much ado about nothing. It was normal Falcons business, if if you will, at this point that they ended up putting on. And it's it's really unfortunate. As somebody that has cheered for this team his entire life, I don't think I've ever felt this deflated, seriously, as a fan. Because as a kid, I didn't really get to be upset about you didn't care enough. Exactly. And I know that those are some pretty horrid years between the the Super Bowl 98 season and Vic starting, then that wasn't eight years though. And then even the it's crazy, even the Vic the Vic transition that Matt Ryan was one year. That wasn't like it wasn't like it was even that long. Matt Ryan did he is a part of this stretch of the eight years, but we also recognize not just as fans, but as people that watch football, it's not his fault that the defense was always really bad, even towards the tail end, the twilight of his prime was not because Matt Ryan was losing us games. It never was him. It was that the defense is really bad. Coaching isn't great.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:25

He's not playing at as high of a level, but like we were in we were in Cap Hill with the Matt and Julio deals, and we had to do them, and they were falling off, and we did not draft well enough to plug in the holes. But it but the again, Matt Ryan gave us so many good days that the end of his career was what it was, and we understood it. And like as a as a football fan, take away your Falcons fandom, right? As as football fans, we understand the all-time quarterback of the franchise gets to have bad seasons at the end and probably get overpaid and we be mad at it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:06:09

But he didn't get overpaid. He came off an MVP in a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:12

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I I I mean, no, I I don't mean at the day of signing. I mean The end of the career, the end of the contract, he's gonna be overpaid. Yeah, yeah. We and so that all of that makes sense, but now we've had enough time to reconfigure we've we've went into a season with uh Desmond Ritter as our starting quarterback, we've gone into a season with Kirk Cousins as our starting quarterback, we've gone into a season with Michael Penix as our starting quarterback, we've gone into a season with Marcus Mariota as our quarterback. No, uh we haven't been uh in our Falcons life, uh we haven't been this bad at quarterback. We haven't been this rudderly and and we haven't had uh the the makings of a good team and missing the quarterback. You know what I mean? Like Michael Vick for a number one pick underachieved for the Falcons. But given the roster, the offense, the defense, he did not, he did not under those rosters did not underachie.

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Michael Vick rosters? Yes. I disagree. I think that there definitely was a year or two where they did, but like I'm saying, like in totality. He didn't have a superstar receiver or nothing, no doubt. But like I'm saying defensively, we had like three, four pro bowlers on the defense.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:35

Like I'm just saying in totality, when you look at the Michael Vick years of him.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:40

They did about what they should have done in reality.

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And I'm just saying because he was a number one pick, he went to jail for two years, and but but he was a even prior to that, he was never a great passer, which is okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:50

Like, I I don't want people to think that this is Michael Vick.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:53

Hey, he he was he was over. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Before you start doing that, that that part, you diving into Michael Vick is not relevant to the I'm not diving into Michael Vick. I know, but even yeah, I know I know where you're going, and everything you're saying is going anywhere. I'm not gonna contest it. But the point is talk about the worst eras of Falcons football. We are currently in it. Yeah, and that's what I was getting back to. Like, Michael Vick, he did what he was supposed to do given the teams that he had, right? Like we were in the playoffs. We were consistently in the playoffs with Michael Vick. We were consistently in the playoffs with Matt Ryan until it got bad.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:33

Well, we weren't consistently in the playoffs with Michael Vick. We went twice.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:37

How many games? Yeah, yeah, consistently, bro. Once everyone. And that doesn't include his rookie year.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:43

So it would be seven if we include that. We're not gonna include that. But we we were we were a playoff-ish team. We were a playoff team every other year with Matt Ryan by his numbers of how long he was here and how many guys.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:56

Yeah, I was gonna get to that, but like with with with them, we were we were touching the playoffs every few years.

SPEAKER_05: 1:09:03

And even in even in even in some of the years where we didn't go, like for instance, we lost to when Mike Smith got fired. That was a division championship game that we were playing for that day. Yeah, they didn't they had a losing record, but if they win the game, we would have gone to the playoffs. Yeah, that like we were in it. Have you when's the last time you remember the Falcons being out of nigga? 7 and 6 is the leader in the division right now, and we're fucking eliminated. How crazy is that? And it's the first week of December. Yeah, like is that not insane? Like, like, I know I'm not taking crazy pills.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:41

Like you might be taking crazy pills, but they're not showing on this point. This is ridiculous. Yeah, this is ridiculous. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_05: 1:09:51

It is something. I think that's where we leave it. It's ridiculous. We we are a bad franchise league. The Jets are the only team in the NFL with a longer playoff drought than the Falcons. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're a bad franchise. We're second in command, we're VPs of bad football in the NFL. We are no, I'm serious. Look it up. No, we have one of the 10 longest streaks in of the four North American pro sports, major sports leagues. We are in the top 10 and we're number two in the NFL when it comes to the streaks of not making the postseason. And this is a team that everybody can remember the last time. Maybe not we I we remember when we were in the playoffs last time, but we can remember the last everybody remembers our Super Bowl. So the idea that it's gone down he'll, and that wasn't, I guess it has been that long ago. But like it doesn't feel like it for us.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:44

We haven't been in the playoffs since I lived in San Diego, bro. I left San Diego in 2018.

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:49

We and and I don't know if you saw it, they put out an article on the AJC saying Arthur Blank's a bad owner.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:57

I saw that the article existed, but hey, Parlay Pete, transition us into like the week roundup and don't get into Shadora. I'm gonna go to the little boys.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:07

Don't get into Shadora. That's always gonna be hard to do. Pause.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:10

Um, but I know we're the media.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:13

Yeah. Uh, but no, NFL was pretty interesting this past week uh overall. I think that one of the biggest takeaways from week 14 was again, you as you start to go by, you you kind of get past like who's actually gonna be a playoff contender. And I think that in this case, we got to see a couple of teams drop off. Bills-Bengles game, highly entertaining. Bengals lose. They don't have a chance. Like, I think even if they went out, it would take so much for them to get in, but they're out of it. Um, you look at this, you look at a team like the Dolphins, a success story, a team that was supposed to be dead in water because the Falcons were supposed to beat them when they played them, but they didn't. Now they brought it out fought five of their last six. Uh, you look at a team like the Bucs, not encouraging. They lost to the Saints. Saints aren't a good football team, guys. I mean, that's the one team the Falcons have beat in their last eight games. Bad football team. Um you look at the Steelers Ravens. Aaron Rodgers shows a pulse. Mike Tomlins shows a pulse. They win the game. Very crucial and important game. Like, I mean, that game's gonna be huge. Uh, Broncos Raiders. The only thing to take away from that game, because it didn't mean anything outside of gambling, which I don't understand how some people watch certain football games without gambling on it. And that doesn't mean that I have a gambling problem. What it means is that there are just certain games out here that I would not understand why somebody would even do something like that. I couldn't watch a certain football game unless I did have money on it. And that was one of them. But that was the one reason why we're gonna bring this up, is because in that football game, a field goal was kicked at the end, and it changed the outcome of a lot of different bets. Uh, obviously, Bears Packers was NFC, AFC, I'm sorry, NFC North supremacy that was going on there. And you had that pretty much that was with that. But like at the same time, you know, a lot of ball still left to be played, but the Packers kind of take over there. Rams crush the Cardinals. Texans pretty much in the fucking Chiefs dynasty. Um and I think that that game was really more defining for a team like the Texans as opposed to was an indictment on the Chiefs. The Chiefs aren't good, but like at the same time, why can't the Texans start being taken a little bit more serious? Because that's another team that's constantly made the playoffs and normally wins a playoff game. And now with a year where it looks like it's gonna be no Chiefs, there might not be any Ravens, the Bills are certainly more than likely gonna be playing on the road the entire time. You look at a win like that by the Texans and how well that they played in general, and you say to yourself, why can't they be the team that makes that run? Because nobody fears any of these top seats, these top seeds.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:59

Says the guy who said fade to Texans a few weeks ago.

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Man, because I watched them. Well, who was that that they played?

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:07

I don't know, it was a prime time game because you know that's all I watched.

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It was it was uh it was them at Seattle, but you did not how good it cost me such a nice win, Lee. And so, but no, I said fade them because offensively, I think that I think their offense still low-key does fucking suck. I think CJ Stroud looks a little bit better, and Nico Collins is obviously looking better. They're looking better, and look, for what it's worth, Seattle's 10 and 3. They are tied for the best record in the NFL. So they played one of the best teams in the NFL on the road. I just look it just seemed like it was a lack of care of that game. But they pretty much haven't lost the game since. And so, you know, it is what it is, but um I was just kind of going through that rundown in general of kind of these games that meant something. Like I said, Bills get an important win over the Bengals. It pretty much knocks the Bengals out. Uh, Dolphins continue to get hot because ever since they played us, they're hot. Uh Saints beat the Bucs. Bucks Carolina's got a pulse. Like Carolina can really win this division. Obviously, it'll come down to how that kind of comes down because they've got to play each other twice in the next four weeks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:23

That Mike Evans injury was really big on the NFC South and really big in our fucking fantasy league.

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What are you gonna do about that? You know they activated him today.

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I'm going to uh ponder.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:38

Actually, we'll let's let's let's box this in because now we can do our little fantasy segment here. Uh what are you gonna do this week? I'm just curious. I mean, I don't play you, but I'm curious as to who I think I'm gonna play next week. Because I'm gonna beat Gambles.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:59

I I'm probably gonna play Mike Evans because I love him, and uh Judge of Jefferson has been a disappointment.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:11

So you're gonna start Abuka too? Yeah. Well, you're not gonna not start Justin Jefferson against the Cowboys secondary. No, you're gonna take Khalil Shakir out. You're gonna start him, are you gonna start Baker as well? Because you're really putting basically you can decide if you want to put all your eggs in one basket on tomorrow. And you have to make that decision by tomorrow. Because Jay Love is playing at Denver, so that's not really a favorable matchup. Like on the road at Denver, that's not a favorable matchup. But no, it's not, but but if you put Baker in and you also are gonna start Mike Evans and Abuka, I mean, you're hoping that they kind of like the Falcons up. Because that could dig that's three out of nine slots. I mean, that's a third of your your minutes and your points.

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I I'm gonna trust my draft, but hold on, I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:10

Okay. Well, as he uh is there, what I will say is this we've got a very interesting fantasy football uh situation going on here, guys. Uh for any of those that do care, Lee is currently, he got a first-round bye. He's the number one team in our league. Um, he shouldn't be, if we're being completely honest. I actually should be the number one team. I normally do win this league. Well, don't let anybody else hear that. I haven't won since 2018, but we've been doing it for 10 years, and I also have the most championships. So that should tell you what you need to know. And I've also been to three of the last five championships. I've lost all of them, but I've been. Um, eight top three finishes. Uh I normally I win this league, is my point. I am the hunted in the league. And it's not to pat myself on my own back, but it's the truth. Um, anywho, he's number one record-wise. And so uh he's got Nico, who is pretty much number one all year. Good team. Jonathan Taylor's slowed up. It doesn't help that he's got Phil Rivers now. Uh, and then I get Gambles. Good buddy of mine. Shout out to Gambles. We love you, Gambles, but I'm gonna tap that ass this weekend. That's pretty much what's gonna happen. Um, Gambles has a good team. I feel like really me and Gambles match this week is basically gonna be our championship. That's just my opinion when it comes to the fantasy matters. Uh, and I think that it could go a lot of different ways. Um, you know, but I think that when it comes down to it, it's gonna be kind of down to me and him, and that's why this matchup is so important. But we want to see what Lee is gonna end up doing. That is my biggest thing. Is Lee gonna be able to hold it together against a Nico team that is kind of battered? I mean, he might not have a T. Higgins. Uh I was really hoping that there was an opportunity, maybe that I'd be able to play justice. But I don't obviously, you know, packing, huh? Yeah, I mean, that's I mean, at the end of the day, Justice his running backs didn't show up. And um, you know, but I've I've I've played justice three times in the championship since we this league's been going for 10 years, so of course I'd love to see justice again in the championship. It's always nice to to to get to that point. I mean, it's just like anything else. If any brothers face each other in NBA finals, like when it's our cousins, like anything, everybody would love to have that. It's a great storyline.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:46

You know, I mean, we could get that this year with the Thompson uh twins.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:51

Exactly. That's that's totally possible. I don't think that it will happen because Houston's not um gonna go. But my my point is uh while he had stepped out there just for a second was that we've got an interesting uh semifinals weekend coming up here. I'm happy Matt got beat badly. Yeah, but everybody should have known he was not gonna beat me in any like just any circus, like I wasn't losing to Matt.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:18

Yeah, no, we just Matt doesn't belong in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:22

That's just it's it's a James Madison organ uh type thing, which honestly I think that's a perfect transition. Why don't we get into college football and what's wrong with what?

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:36

College football, I mean, stating it nicely is a shit show.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:42

I mean, you have this multi-billion dollar organization that is under multiple umbrellas while uh competing for uh a a national title.

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Okay you have this very uh subjective way of uh evaluating uh the teams because it's so broad. There's so many teams, there's so many variables, there's no consistency in scheduling, there's no consistency in opponents, and honestly, you can't create any level of consistency in opponents without excluding a bunch of programs. And my fear is that instead of trying to unite college football under one umbrella with many different tentacles, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:21:42

Right.

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We're gonna end up having the SEC versus the Big Ten becoming the AFC versus the NFC while having all of these variables available. And I'm just gonna be honest with you, there is a big difference between the the Big Ten and the SEC.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:06

Uh at the top, the teams are close, but who's the fourth best team in the Big Ten?

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:24

Well, it was supposed to have been, and technically really it would have been or well, Indiana probably would have been, who coming prec are you saying? Probably Iowa. It's Iowa after the the dust itself. It's Iowa.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:37

All right. What the fuck do you think Vandy does to Iowa?

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Or USC. Is USC I tell you, it's USC because they did beat Iowa. Do you think USC beats Vandy? Vany's not the fourth best team, but yes. Well, I that's I don't I think no, I that'd be a damn good game. That should have been a bowl game.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:57

Do you think USC beats um Texas Texas?

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No.

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That's my point. That's their fourth best team.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:12

And I didn't bring up Alabama, OU, Texas, AM, Georgia, AM, Georgia. The teams in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:22

Yeah, yeah. I wanted to talk about our top teams.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:25

The leftovers.

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Exactly. I want to compare our leftovers to their leftovers.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:31

And we haven't been played. What um and only because we kind of spoiled it a little bit, we talked about this in pre-production. We agree with the rankings. What's the biggest issue with this? And I don't want this cookie cutter ass, obviously, to know our fives in, but like, what's the actual issue with the playoffs?

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:57

My my biggest issue is that we're treating the playoffs like we're treating fucking so uh uh uh uh uh uh social programs or like we should treat social programs. So the playoffs, hey, we're gonna give everybody a shot and the little guy, we're gonna give the look the little guy a legend. Is it a DEI? Low key, yeah. Okay. It's actually worse than DEI because the idea of DEI is to get qualified people an opportunity who may not who may not socially cross over, or their skills may not translate, their the expression of their skills may not translate the way others might.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:40

But we're still looking for the most qualified person.

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Correct.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:44

This right here is actual like a social program. You know, like, hey, you do not qualify for this, and under a free market, you would not get this benefit. But we're gonna create a control for you to get this benefit. Right. You know, it's crazy that we can look at a college football team, a college football program, a university, an institution, and say, hey, although you did not earn this in the in the field in which you were allowed to compete for this, we won't do the same for actual people when we're talking about health, life, death, food. You know what I mean? It's insane. But to get to the bigger point is my biggest issue is the automatic bids for the power five, uh for the uh for the rest of the you know, the non-power four. I am okay with them getting into the tournament. But I think they should have to qualify based on their record, based on the polls, based on the data. Like those Cincinnati, those fickle Cincinnati teams, I'm okay with that. You know what I mean? They dominated where they were in a 12-team play. And they were undefeated.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:04

Neither of those teams are undefeated. JMU and Tulane are not undefeated. And now Tulane is going to play a team that they already played. It got blown out.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:13

And you know, I really don't like the 12-team playoff. I I really just don't like the business of college football, but the problem is I like the product that is college football because believe it or not, the product on the field is less affected by this bullshit that we talk about because you know what football coaches do? They coach games, they try to win, and they advocate for their teams. So we we sometimes less is more, and we're always gonna have complaints, but the old way of doing college football was so much better. And lastly, can we please get fucking corporate finance out of college football? Like, we can't let these guys come in and just wash their money and and and with this sport and totally change the sport and they don't care about the sport. Like, hey, every industry should not be ran by money. I'm all about getting your money. And if you generate this type of money, cool. But let the people who do it and love it generate the money naturally. Let's not pump money into this because we know that we can spit it out. And now, hey, we're gonna overpay these players and our our our our our calculations say, hey, the the what we can get back in return is this or that, or what we don't pay in taxes, it can go to something we love. Bro, I like brown bag money, I like car dealers, you know what I'm saying? I like the people who care about the the product on the field being the the people pumping the money into the product, not the people who care about making money, and this is a lucrative way to make money, and I went to school here. I don't like none of that shit. I know I answered your question with many, many answers that may not have got us to one, but I'm just disgusted with the business of college football. And and and and and and lastly, again, I'm really disgusted with the media pundits, the important media pundits, fucking uh beaten to the drum of their goddamn networks, because there are there are people out here to put a name on it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:27

Just say Joel Clatt. I mean, that's I feel like you're I know it's not just them, but I feel like that's exactly what you're attacking.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:34

Is Matt Berry, is Paul Faumbaum, is Stephen A. Smith, is all of these motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:39

Well, who does Steve beat to? Does he beat to an FCC drum? Steve doesn't really have a dog in the fight because he's a man of penny hats. He's supposed to be talking about uh basketball, but he talks about everything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:50

When we talk about people who carry their company's water and not do what they're trusted to do, because part of the reason that that these guys get these seats, get these platforms, it's because the audience trusts them.

SPEAKER_06: 1:29:06

Right.

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And and and we get and this is life, but you get so powerful you become corrupted because you want to maintain power, and that's exactly what the fuck we have going on. We got guys on ESPN calling to end the fucking conference championship. Hey, guess what? If you don't win the national championship and you win the conference, you had a good fucking season. Yeah, you still get a ring. You you you hit one of your goals of the season. Well, I bet Ole Miss is happy or Oregon's happy because they didn't have to go get to a slug fest and get beat. Hey, some people want to play football and prove that they're the best football player, team, coach, whatever the case may be, and it's anytime, anywhere, any place. Like we we've forgotten the essence of what sports is and why it's entertaining. We've just gotten too caught up on the business and the entertainment that we forgot about the sport. Right. And and it's just gross. It's gross because it creates situations like hey, Lane Kiffin wants to take a better job. But in order for him to take the better job and be in the best situation for that job, he has to turn his back on the team that he's currently coaching. And he gets painted as this selfish person, which maybe he's a selfish prick. But he's not a selfish prick for taking a better job. Any other coach would do that. You name a coach who would turn down the LSU job.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:46

Name a man that's a job that on paper is better than where they're working, and they're gonna make more money. I don't know money, many people that would do that. If you're that loyal to a fault to any company, salute to you.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:03

But like the reality is you bet you better, your name better be on the wall, or that company better have made you who you are, and and you give that company and they gave you a shot when nobody else would.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:15

In Lane's case, that ain't the case because he worked for bigger programs in Ole Miss before he's going to LSU. And in my opinion, he's worked for a bigger program already. Fuck the NFL. I'm not even gonna say that Al Davis, he's Al Davis' last hire for the Raiders, but like fuck that. USC is a bigger deal than LSU. Overall, it is. That is a bigger deal. USC is a bigger program than LSU in football. I can take a college football, period. They are the West Coast.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:47

Yeah, and and if we're being honest, he is the linchpin to the second half of the Sabin of the Saban dynasty. When Kif got there, the offense changed, and they started airing it out.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:07

I don't know why I'm thinking you're saying he's the second branch. I'm like, no, that's Kirby, but I know you know that. Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:14

But I'm saying in Saban's actual dynasty, when Kiff got there and they changed up that offense, they started getting quarterbacks that can run and throw. They Jalen Hurts. No, Blake Sims was.

SPEAKER_07: 1:32:27

I mean, yeah, yeah, Blake Sims.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:29

But no, but see, here, but here's what you need to understand Lane Kiffin was coming to Chaos High to see Blake Sims to get him to Tennessee.

SPEAKER_06: 1:32:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:38

So him reuniting with Blake and Blake winning the job, like, like Blake was one of Kiff's guys.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:45

Are you saying that you saw Kiff up there in Carsville?

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:50

Me personally. Me personally, no, because Blake and I weren't in class together. Uh-huh. So I wouldn't be around for those pullouts, and like I wasn't in the first period football weightlifting class. But I have no reason to believe that my teammates would lie to me about that. Especially the specific teammate and friend who I who I got it from, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:22

I was bringing it up just in a sense of um, well, shout out to Carsville, by the way. I had a young lady from Carsville text me this week. And you it's not. It's a cousin of somebody. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:41

I once you were about to say it's not who you think it is. I initially had to have all but that's that's who I that was my initial thought.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So which maybe it's it's a birthday weekend. Um we'll talk about that after the potties. Yeah, yeah but uh yeah, we'll we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:01

But nonetheless, well, you know, I'm in I'm in a doghouse on that side anyways, because apparently we'll talk about it after.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:08

Yeah, I because I don't know why you would be or what happened, but like uh well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:12

I mean, not not that kind of doghouse, guys. Uh yeah, yeah. But um, so how do we fix college football? Do we change the calendar? Do we put in some guardrails? Do we get a czar? Do we get back to old school? What do we do?

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:27

Well, one of the first things you do is the transfer portal, all the portal and like signing days has to change because that's why Lane Kivens is not even able to finish this job, and why he has to make a rush decision. It's unfortunate for a guy like him, but he's getting played paid plenty of money, and I think that everybody understands business, and that's what business is. People are always like, well, business is business. No, nigga, it's money is money, is what it is.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:52

100 million is 100 million, big dog.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:54

If you're not giving me 100 million and they are, and I want the hundred million, you gotta understand that I am still loyal to you guys and I want to finish this. But at the end of the day, if you're telling me I can't finish it and I can't get paid because I gotta hurry up and start flipping niggas, then so be it. So be it. I mean, that is that is the end result of that.

SPEAKER_07: 1:35:12

So this is culturally inappropriate, and that's one thing that has to change.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:16

So let's start there. That's number one.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:19

Hey, hey, real quick there, real quick before you go. Don't you think that that's an actual great lesson for him to teach those young men? Hey, sometimes you get put into a situation where you've got two good choices, not two bad choices, but two good choices. And the better choice is gonna hurt people you care about. That's real life.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:43

The better choice, and then in some cases, even if the choice isn't better, either way, you're gonna hurt somebody.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:50

Now, maybe there's somebody that you don't have a connection with that you're hurting, but no, nigga, you're gonna hurt yourself you're gonna hurt yourself and your wife when you turn down the 98 million.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:59

That's what I'm saying. One way or another, there's no there will be a loser no matter what, and one way or another, you will be a winner, one way or another. Whether that means that you're the hero of a town that you decided to stay at and that you didn't want to leave, or you leave to go to another town and then you're letting down people that you've been with around all these years. One way or another, you can't make everybody happy. That's the true lesson in it. You can't, because you can't make everybody happy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:26

And so if you if you if you were to leave this show to go to another show to make a I wouldn't do that though, Lee. Hold on, hold on, hold on, to make a substantial amount of money, my feelings would be hard.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:40

They'd have to shoot at the same exact time that we shoot. My but you would understand if I was getting paid like a lot of money, yeah. But even if if in the contract if I did, like if we shot on Tuesday, I'd still do this.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:51

So like I'm saying, even if in the contract, it's like, hey, you cannot do content anywhere else unless it's under our umbrella, but they're offering you life-changing money.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:02

Well, I'd work to get you on with me. I think that's a big part of the contract.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:07

And what do you think Kiff is doing in the locker room? He's working to get the guys that he fucks with on with him at LSU. Yeah, I know. I know, and they're like, hey, he can't. Well, we don't want him around because he's gonna be recruiting our locker room. Hey, bruh, he already recruited these niggas, he has their number.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:26

Yeah, what are we talking about? I'm sure I know Chandless is like a 50 or senior, um, which I don't know what he's gonna do at LSU quarterback wise, which because Nussmar's going to draft. I know they got the the other kid that's there, but we'll see. But yes, I get what you're where you're coming from. I pick up what you're dropping, I really do. Um it it it it'll it'll be interesting. But that but wait, to my main point here. Yeah, you see. That's the first thing that I'm changing with this college football thing, because gosh, I realize we're zooming through this. Second thing is obviously, which these are changes that have already been made. Now it is not to where this happens again. So this will be a one-off college football playoff. You're not gonna see two non-power fives unless one is completely dominant. Like, if they did a playoff system back in 07, 2008, 09, 10, and Boise State, right, was this undefeated team with Kellen Moore. Uh, I know they had Zabranski the year they beat Oklahoma, which is another thing. This is what created that phenomenon. Zabranski beating Adrian Peterson in Oklahoma and Stoops in the Fiesta Bowl. Because the only reason that this even exists is because of games like that. Yep. Use UCF with uh George O'Leary.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:41

Wait, wait, wait, wait, UCF with some legal stuff like discrimination if they don't put him in there.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:50

Discrimination. No, this stuff is UCF beating, and I'm not talking about uh uh Scott Frost undefeated, beating Auburn in the Peach Bowl. I'm talking about before George O'Leary, no, George O'Leary with Blake Bortles played in the Fiesta Bowl and they beat Baylor with uh Bryce Petty. Like, this is stuff that's been happening for years where you see these underdogs. They were they're the largest underdog in the BCS era to ever win a game. I fact checked my fucking self today before I even said this. 16 and a half point dogs. 2013, well before I was even gambling on sports. This happened. And I remember it happening because that's how Blake Burroughs got taken by the Jaguars third.

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Right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:34

What were you doing in 2013?

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:37

I was attending school at Morehouse College, probably getting drunk with you, maybe one of the weekends of the night. You you we were probably all we were probably at least still around each other then. We weren't hanging out consistently, but I'm saying, like, there was probably a night that we were somewhere together. Yeah, I mean we would go to Tommy's uh house. I mean, I would go to your parties. Well, cause twenty thirteen. That would be Justice's freshman year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:03

So, like, yeah. So, like, anytime like he was like Yeah, it was a Goldmouth. Yeah, no, I know because I met Sierra over there.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:13

Shout out to Goldmouth. We gotta get Gold Mouth.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:17

Why do I wake up in the morning sometimes and I see him live on Instagram? Yeah, his live. He went live. I'm like, why are you shooting this? I know he's on in Portland, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:27

I think so.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:28

We need a Gold Mouth Tommy collab.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:31

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'd be down. He used to want to pod all the time, but you know, back when I was married, I'd be like, hey nigga, I can't pod like in 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:40

Like when you want. You gotta kind of work on my schedule. No offense to you. I'm not saying fuck your time, but you know, you should understand that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:49

You don't answer to anybody.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:50

I do.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:54

And I get the answers wrong.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:57

But the biggest thing is this, Lee. A lot of the problems have already been fixed because next year we will get a playoff that does not include what we have today. The biggest thing that we've got to do is ultimately 12 was such an odd number. And they want more. Even though it's an even number, it's an odd number. Eight, eight, four was enough. No, just do 16.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:26

Fuck no.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:27

And leave it there. No, but you don't have to expand anymore. Just do 16.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:31

No, contract. We don't need more playoff games. I want bowl games to matter. I want I want winning games. They're not gonna matter, Lee.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:40

But you now you can bring in more. But this is what this is what makes it so good. The Pop Tart Bowl can be one of the games. The the they don't do the beef o' Brady bowl anymore, but like because there's no beef o' Brady's. I know, but this is what I'm saying. You can still incorporate the gator bowl, the outback bowl. Like these are things that can be they're the opening round bowl games. We don't need there's gonna be one that's gonna end up winning multiple bowl games.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:07

There aren't six, there aren't 16 teams who can compete for a national championship.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:14

But this year, if you include the non-power fives, there are bandy Notre Dame. That's three right there, and then who would be the 14?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:22

I don't think any of those teams I don't think any of those teams can win a national championship.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:29

Bullshit. Texas was ranked number one to start the year, Lee. You don't think if they got in as a 16 seed, let's say that they played Indiana. Seriously. If they were the 16, now we know they wouldn't be, but like if they were the sixth team and they played Nick, what do you think Vegas was set the spread at? Well in a neutral side game against Indiana. You don't think Texas can beat them?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:50

Yeah, but I don't think Indiana can be able to be able to be able to watch, but they're not in the playoffs. But I don't think Indiana's the best team of the country.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:56

You don't think Notre Dame. I don't think that they would beat Georgia, but if it was three versus 14, I don't think Notre Dame. You don't think that Notre Dame could beat Georgia?

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:06

I don't think Notre Dame can win a national championship. I'm not talking about their team was good enough. I'm not talking about playoff wins. I'm talking about winning a national championship. So who do you think? When I talk about contracting it, I understand that there are teams that are good that are good enough to try to compete get left out. Teams that had good seasons get left out. But I don't think we've ever left out potential champions. I I don't think college football has gotten the national champion wrong since they started the four-team playoff. Honestly, under the BCS, did they really get it wrong? Probably not. I know niggas didn't like that uh Alabama uh LSU rematch in 2012, well 2012 season, 2013, I believe, or 2011 season, 2013, or 2012 uh when the game was played. Uh another thing I think they should do, parley Pete, is let's start the season earlier so that the national championship is played over Christmas break and the portal actually makes sense. So a player can declare for the portal, you know what I mean, at the end of the semester, while still staying with their team and finish the season and still being able to enroll because they are student athletes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:34

And I think that uh the but then I gotta mess with the NFL and the NBA.

SPEAKER_04: 1:44:38

Excuse me?

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:39

You said that you wanted the game that it to go over Christmas break, right? Yeah, I'm not saying on Christmas Day, I'm just no, I know, but just during that week, all that travel, there's already a lot of travel, as is fuck sports. You add in that and fan bases over a Christmas holiday and week. Well, look, I get where you're coming from, but I really do. Because New Year's Eve has always been their their thing.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:07

I'm okay with I said Christmas break.

SPEAKER_05: 1:45:10

If it ends, like if it lasts New Year's Day is a week after Christmas, so unless they're not gonna play on a week to week schedule and they're gonna have less days or more days, even if it's Christmas Eve or the 23rd or something, and then they get like an eight, nine-day break, that would work, right? But like you have to set the games up, they have to be played, it has to work for the network. They got Christmas specials. There's so much stuff because of the TV, I think.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:38

Well, we can we can start the playoffs this week and play Army Navy on fucking Friday.

SPEAKER_05: 1:45:45

Or play it, make it the advertiser, make that the 12 o'clock game, and then you have three games. Uh you have one game on Friday, you have three games plus Army Navy, then, and then even I hate to do it to fucking the NFL. There ain't no entertain. What's the uh there are some entertaining games this week? I don't know, they can figure it out. They can figure it out. I but they already do Thursday night games anyways. Army Navy should actually be on Thursday because they didn't play last week.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:13

So well, no, no, no, no, you no no. You you want you you gotta have a weekend game. Well, hold on, hear me out for the guys who are gonna travel but not take time off.

SPEAKER_05: 1:46:24

For the military, you're saying the actual service members, the people who are gonna pack the stadium, yes. But they also like to highlight that. That's why it's a bad idea to maybe do it anytime during it, even though you know there is a bowl game on uh Saturday night.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:39

Well, they need to do something. Uh like I I know Army Navy makes it hard because we're a patriotic country and we we want to highlight this game.

SPEAKER_05: 1:46:49

But why not Tuesday and Wednesday games? Make it a little action-wise.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:54

You know, these guys are competing for something bigger than themselves, and the only way you get this kind of rating is on a uh a football dry weekend. But I I I don't know, man. We we've got their student athletes first, and I think we need to take that student part into it first, and build the schedule around these guys optimizing their lives as students because a higher percentage of these guys uh need the education that they receive while they're on campus, uh not necessarily the education they receive while they're on the field. So uh let's kind of get to that. Oh, we're at 147.

SPEAKER_05: 1:47:33

Uh I started looking at the NFL fix and stuff real quick because I was like, God, I gotta Do you got a problem with uh with Bama and Notre Dame out?

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:43

Like, I know we kind of glazed over it, but we didn't really get into it. Uh what like what are your real feelings? Like, should Bama have been punished for getting their ass kicked by Georgia in a in a championship, in a conference championship game against arguably the the the best team in the country?

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:02

No, on paper, no. But I think from an eye test standpoint, I don't think that because now obviously two of your spots are given to the non-power five, or now I guess four. It's really only four. The non-power four, would I say that aside from those two spots, was Alabama a top ten team? No, honestly, I thought that Notre Dame was better than them, and that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:28

But like who did Notre Dame play? Who did they beat?

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:32

They lost at Miami and AM. They beat, I'll give you they beat. They beat Syracuse. Nah, I mean, obviously that didn't.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:44

They beat USC.

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:46

They beat USC. They beat USC. They beat uh now. Remember, they lost AM by one on the road.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:58

Yeah, I mean they lost to AM and Miami by combined four points.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:02

Like they didn't play Michigan this year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:04

They could like like they could have easily been an undefeated team. Hold on.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:10

I'm gonna pull it up because I actually it it's such a long year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:14

I I I just think that you have to give Alabama credit for the wins that they received and also not punching. Pittsburgh was a good team.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:21

That was a ranked team that they did. They just beat theirs basically their last game beforehand.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:27

Who?

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:28

That had blew out Georgia Tech.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:29

Is that Pittsburgh?

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:31

Yeah, they beat they beat the shit out of them.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:33

Yeah, that's a quality team they beat up.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:35

I mean, I'm just saying it for ACC school, so they lost by one to AM. They lost by three to so combine four points to two teams that are in the playoffs. Combined. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of them being road games, one being at Miami, the other being a neutral site.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:52

So a road game. Where was it? What neutral site?

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:55

Uh they played that game, if I'm not mistaken. No, it was at Notre Dame. Okay, I'm tripping. I don't know why I thought that game was played at Texas Stadium or uh ATT Stadium it wasn't. So all right, I stand corrected. But looking at this now, I mean they beat USC, they beat Boise Eden State, they beat Arkansas, who I know is not a good SEC school, but like they fired their head coach, man.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:20

Stop it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:22

Yeah, this was before he got fired, though, and they were two and two at the time. Even when they were two and one going into the match. And it was on the road, it was on the road, and they won by 40 points. I'm just saying that it's an SEC school. Well, how how bad everybody else? Because Texas didn't beat the shit out of Arkansas with the fire coach.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:40

Like here's the thing, man.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:42

When you when you the reason we have a committee is because it'd be Davy who's who's nine and two.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:51

I'm no, I get it, but I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying, bro, when when I'm looking at the silver lining.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:58

We have a committee who's supposed to look at the teams in totality and not just their record.

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:03

They dominated these games too. The closest game that they had was against USC, where they beat them by 10. So they double-digited them. They didn't blow them out, but like they still won by double digits.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:17

I wouldn't be mad if Notre Dame got in. I I'm I'm just saying that I'm just saying, do you think Notre Dame's a top 10 team?

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:28

Yeah or nay? It's okay if you don't. I just I think that they were a top 10 team this year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:34

I maybe. But I don't think our problem should be with Bama. I think we should pick more at like your Texas Tex of the World, your team of the world. I I know they have Bellama.

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:47

There's no team that you can pick at. That's why that they didn't get it wrong.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:50

But who the fuck, but who but who did they beat? That that become like uh again, Texas Tech beat Notre Dame. Yes, head-to-head does matter. But damn it, that was week two, week one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:52:03

You know what I mean? I thought that Georgia game was kind of ugly and it didn't help.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:08

Um, I'm not talking about Bama anymore. I'm just talking about I'm talking about Notre Dame. I'm talking about some of these other teams that may have better records, but I mean, shit, who do they play? I mean, Indiana, because they beat Ohio State and they beat the dog shit out of damn near everybody else, it's like, okay, this makes sense. Georgia blew the fucking Alabama game, okay, so Georgia can't be number one. Uh Texas Tech lost a game they shouldn't have lost, and they're in the Big 12, so they can't be number one. But is Texas Tech as good? Like, the Big 12 isn't a good conference. We don't respect what's coming out of the Big 12. So, how good are you from beating up on lesser teams and also not taking the wear and tear into the next week? No, I don't give a fuck how bad Florida is. Going to the swamp is a long day. Even if you beat the dog piss out of them, you're playing against some future pros. You're playing against really good talent.

SPEAKER_05: 1:53:15

That that that that that come on, man. I agree. Lee.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:20

I I and here's the thing. And and if Bama doesn't get in, then team start back playing these cupcake schedules and we don't get good games. And that's bad for the TV networks.

SPEAKER_05: 1:53:31

Exactly. Exactly. And so and bad for the fans, shit. Yeah. Nobody's a winner in these situations except uh the TV networks, because regardless, everybody is gonna tune in.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:44

Well, the TV networks always win, and that's why they run college football, you know. We got Fox running the Big Ten, we got ESPN.

SPEAKER_05: 1:53:51

Are you saying that Bob Eiger dictates who's gets him? I'm not saying that Bob. But I'm like thinking about the Super Bowl switches hands.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:04

Do you think Clatt and Gus should get a national championship game?

SPEAKER_05: 1:54:10

Absolutely not. But like um, I don't want Clatt calling. They get the pro guy, I hate to say it, they can get the pro guys to do it for all that. No, no, no, I wouldn't want Brady necessarily like calling.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:21

No, bro. I don't want pro guys calling college football because they don't know anything about it. Yeah, it's a different experience. No, but I don't want Joel Clatt who hates the SEC calling games. I think Kirk Herbstreet being an ESPN guy who has to uh be pro SEC while being an Ohio State alum and former quarterback and Big Ten guy at heart, I think that's a great balance now. When you put him next to Al on Thursday, I put the TV on mute.

SPEAKER_05: 1:54:51

Would you rather Clap B with Al than Herb Street? Yeah, absolutely. I like I like who would be the perfect classic for but who would be perfect for Al as a color? Commentator for those out there that don't know what I'm talking about color commentator because Al is play by play.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:18

Honestly, Chris.

SPEAKER_05: 1:55:21

Yeah, but obviously that's not an option.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:23

I don't hate I don't hate Chris like I used to because it's fucking Tarico. It's not the same, like it's not but Tarico is so good, like Yeah, Tariko's good, but he's not Al and they don't have the same dynamic.

SPEAKER_05: 1:55:36

I assume we're gonna go over the two-hour mark. Uh we don't have to because we're well my timeout was this because we didn't even talk about Michigan football.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:47

Oh, yeah, yeah, we're going over the two hour mark.

SPEAKER_05: 1:55:50

All right, let's make it 210 then. Um here, let's cut. Well, no, I do want to finish this thought. Uh there's nobody in the college realm that can step with Michaels, in my opinion, that I would like. Kirk obviously gets it because he's the top college dude. Um, but for color with a guy like Al. They could have just hired Greg Olsen to kind of do it. Low-key. Because everybody loves Greg Olson so much at Fox and he got demoted because of Brady. Yeah, why not just put Greg with him then? Uh that that would be good. Yeah, but wouldn't that have just made the most sense? Like, if he's if he's that beloved, then why do you just move him to Amazon? And Jeff clearly could have did it. Like, Jeff could have did it if he wanted to do it. Jeff makes a lot of people move. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm not, I'm not, it's not a joke with you. It's just more of a it's it's like truth.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:59

Yeah, no, I no, I'm not talking about, I'm saying it's picking up what you're putting down.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:04

Jeff can make niggas do some shit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:07

Absolutely, yeah. No, absolutely. I I I I just don't care to hear Kirk Herbstreet talk about NFL football.

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And me neither, because I know that he's too busy thinking about college.

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And Kirk and Al both legends in their game. It doesn't mean it always works. You know what I mean? We saw Kobe and Dwight Howard. Didn't work.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:39

And that Lou Williams shit was weak, but we ain't gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:43

Yeah, we won't. That's gifted. Uh we got we'll give him about two minutes. All right, nah, we can give about five.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:50

Hey, if you're a black man, don't coach in uh college football in Michigan, man.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:55

I you sent the step brothers picture, and maybe that is kind of what that is, because they were a wolf in Michigan. I have to now I want to hear what your conspiracy is on this. Obviously, the facts of the situation are that he's fired and that he uh uh had an inappropriate relationship with the staffer, and then obviously while we were on air as we got started, it came down that he got detained.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:19

No detail.

SPEAKER_05: 1:58:20

Now, my thought was the detainment was was he like not leaving quietly? Like basically he was on canvas while he got fired, and then that's why he got detained. You brought up earlier that you believe that maybe it was more of a potentially a I don't know. We don't know if it's we don't know if it's that, but that maybe it was a criminal charge for why.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:42

Well, yeah, because the city wasn't an arbor.

SPEAKER_05: 1:58:49

So I'm like, oh, well, he's I'm getting on Twitter while you talk about this so that I can see if there is anything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:54

He's not on he's not on campus when it happens, but uh dog Jason Whitlock talks about it a lot. And talking about the the peanut butter skin in the big cans was never about his likelihood.

SPEAKER_05: 1:59:13

Holy shit, hold on. What we got? Hold on, I'm trying to see.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:19

Well, let me just let me know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:59:22

I'm sorry, the first thing that came up was honey, get out of bed. The Sharon Moore mugshot hit the timeline. And here's a picture of him. This could be AI. It's not from a reputable source, but it's a picture of Well, I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:39

I want charges. I don't give a fuck about what I know what he looked like. Anyways, point being was when Whitlock was talking about Joy's tits and and skin, it wasn't about it was it was it was more of a metaphor of hey, there are women who we encounter and Our lives who can create issues for us in our successes. And we have to be careful of that because you could have a consensual relationship with a a woman that could be deemed inappropriate and it's not affecting anything, and everybody around you knows what's going on and don't really care. But then once they're done with you, that can then be used as an excuse. And then me hearing he got detained, it's like, oh golly, did it are there allegations that say was he trying to kill himself or anything?

SPEAKER_05: 2:00:39

Like, what was going on?

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:41

And you know, he tried to kill one of y'all for firing him. Correct, exactly. Y'all probably already knew about and he knew y'all knew about, and it's like, we really doing this, but hey, don't fuck the help, and not literally the help, but man, don't fuck employees for one, but honestly, be careful about dealing with co-workers because it just creates problems. And I and I know most Americans meet their partners at work, so I'm not telling you not to mingle at work, but just be careful and responsible about it and make sure that this relationship does not jeopardize your things outside of work unless you're willing to lose those, unless you're comfortable losing those things.

SPEAKER_05: 2:01:30

Alright, so I'm on TMZ. I hate to be a messy bitch, but uh they're credible. Uh, you know, you know what's crazy? You know what made them credible, in my opinion? The Michael Jackson thing. That was like the first thing I remember. What did you say? Everybody you remember when Michael Jackson died, right?

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 2:01:51

Didn't everybody it was a summer day, like oh nine. I was headed, I think, my junior year. You're probably headed to your senior.

SPEAKER_04: 2:01:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 2:01:59

Not probably you would have had to have been.

SPEAKER_04: 2:02:01

Yeah, no, we had a tournament at the school, we had a summer tournament at the school.

SPEAKER_05: 2:02:05

Uh we were working, we were playing, we just got done playing basketball.

SPEAKER_04: 2:02:10

Yeah, and shout out to one of my home, shout out to one of my homegirls who I ran into Thanksgiving uh weekend, but she was actually, she and her sister were in a car accident uh that day, and I was I had like went home to grab something because I live close to my school, and I was in the intersection when the accident happened, and I remember having to like call my coach and say, hey, I'm I'm I'm caught up because I gotta give a statement to the police, and like the guy was trying to like fight them, and so I was the only dude there, so like I had to you know involve myself in some things. It it didn't get crazy, but at the same time, I wasn't gonna let this man like do anything crazy to my to my friend. So yeah, that's a day that sticks into my head. But what is uh what what are they saying about Sharon Moore?

SPEAKER_05: 2:02:55

So there's no new information in terms of uh why he was detained or what happened. Obviously, rumors are running wild, but basically because he was in Saline, Michigan, that's not Ann Arbor. So he was not on campus because that's not Ann Arbor. So he wasn't on campus when this happened. I don't know if he lives in Saline or not, but uh somebody put something up. We don't know how true it is. We'll get to find out more, obviously, as the days go by because this is very fresh. I mean, he got fired an hour before we got on, and then while we've been sitting here now for two, all this other stuff has happened. But basically, it could be based on this is Twitter, and take this with the grain of salt. Somebody on Twitter is saying that uh basically he went over to the chick in which he I guess had the inappropriate relationship with and was threatening to kill himself. Now, we don't know how true that is, obviously. I am not a news source, I am just talking about the rumors that are sitting here. I hate to sound like Marcella Swally, but like, you know, let's say that somebody like that is true. Because say I don't know where Saline, Michigan is in comparison to oh, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:11

Let's call this what it is. Now it's a headpiece on a neck. I'm getting tired. He's retained, he he's been detained, he's alive. Yo, you can't you can't do that with the side piece, man. Oh, somebody put it up who it was. I don't care who it was, and I don't think we should broadcast that.

SPEAKER_05: 2:04:36

Well, we don't have to.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:37

Well, you can share it with it. I said it to you.

SPEAKER_05: 2:04:39

I said it's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like I yo, you can't fall in love with the executive assistant to football coach.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't even put it, don't even put out her title.

SPEAKER_05: 2:04:49

I'm not giving you a name.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:50

I'm I'm not saying that's a good thing. No, but I don't think we should be responsible for dot for possibly dots. Yeah. But but even still, that's more reason why I don't think we should even spread anything about it pri uh publicly.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:03

Now, privately, we can look at it and and even somebody looking at the roster of who the fuck is a staffer at Michigan and it's only the same thing that they did with uh email.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:12

I got you, I got I got you, but I don't think we should direct people towards the deuce, we shouldn't be a part of any of that.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:20

I understand.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:21

I I understand without without us knowing for a fact, that's all. He is innocent until proven guilty. You want to get to these picks, yeah. But but real quick, dog, yo, if you get caught up with the side chick and you start losing everything, my my nigga, you can't go over there and be ready to off yourself, dog. If if if that relationship truly runs that deep, you should probably leave your family and start a relationship there, bro. I'm just gonna be honest with you. You want me to tell the truth and not bullshit. That's that's the truth.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:51

The guy from Good More America did it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:54

Yeah, he did it right. If you're if you're going to have a yeah, I don't want to be with you. If you're gonna have a side fling.

SPEAKER_05: 2:06:02

Yeah, I love this bitch.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:03

If you're gonna have a side fling that you're willing to risk your marriage over, and I and I mean not like getting caught in all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_05: 2:06:10

I mean you're gonna he wants to he wants to panel that ass for the rest of his life.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:14

He's yeah, if you're not gonna leave, if you're not gonna leave that side chick, or the results of your relationship with that side chick coming to light has you on the verge of suicide. Hey, big dog, go be with that side chick. You deserve that happiness, make her your main chick. And just hope that it's not another side nigga that's that's fly like you that can get away. It's worth more than your career. Oh, yeah, bro. Being happy at home having a home that feels like a home is is probably the most important thing ever. And not to get personal, but I know that both of us can relate to living in a home that you pay for and not feeling like it's at home, feeling like it's your home, and that's not a great place. So don't stay in it long. I think you should do what you want to do.

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:04

That's what I feel like.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:05

Well, yeah, do what you want to do, but if I were to give you advice, that's what I would say. Do what you want to do, and if I were you, this is what I would do.

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:12

Absolutely, absolutely. Uh, and then one last thing on it. Uh what did you just say? It's literally something. Fuck it. Let's get to the point. Hey, hey, hey, one last question.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:27

Does Steve have credibility? I know he's entertaining and rich, but does he have any credibility?

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:35

I don't know who he knows at this point anymore.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:39

I don't know what he knows so well that I care what he says. He's not an insider. He's not an insider.

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:48

He's a show host.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:52

He's black Nick Wright.

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:54

The information gets brought to him. He doesn't search it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:58

Nick Wright apparently has been putting 20, 20,000 on the Chiefs' money line every week.

SPEAKER_05: 2:08:06

So Fox has been putting 20,000 on it. That's where he got it from. He didn't get it from winning gambling, he got it from Fox.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:14

Well, I think it makes everything make sense as to why he's such a crazy fanatic, like a crazy fan, like on the air.

SPEAKER_05: 2:08:20

It's like, oh, nah, you he's probably about to hang himself this week, which, if anyone has any problems, please call it Suicide Hot Lines.

SPEAKER_00: 2:08:33

It is time for Paul Apeach. NFL six.

SPEAKER_05: 2:08:42

Six, six, six, six. I'm glad that you did NFL knowing that goddamn well there wasn't any college. We will do a special bonus pick for uh the Army Navy game, obviously, and then as the weeks go on, we'll you know we'll do the college. But let's go ahead and get straight into it. All right, we'll start off with the Baltimore Ravens at the Cincinnati Bengals. We were correct on Thanksgiving Day. I believe that now, this time I've got enough courage to fucking do it. Let's go Bengals moneyline. I think that the win. I don't think the Ravens are a very good football team. Bengals moneyline. Next, we got the Raiders at the Eagles. I like under 39 and a half. I think that that's a bit high. I don't think that the Raiders are really gonna score. I think the Eagles are gonna score a lot. They should win. I kind of like the spread, but we'll take the under. Under 39 and a half. Next, we got Chargers at Chiefs. Such an odd spread. And it keeps going up. So as of today, we're gonna take the Chargers. That's really weird to me that the Chiefs are favored by that much. Super odd. Next, we got the Colts at the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:42

Hey, where are we taking the Chargers at? You froze up on me.

SPEAKER_05: 2:09:45

Chargers plus seven and a half. And then uh we got uh Colts at the Seahawks. We're gonna take under 42 and a half. Phillip Rivers is back. We didn't even get to get into that as much, but we're gonna take under 42 and a half there. Then next, we got another under for you guys, believe it or not. We got uh Carolina Panthers at Saints. Under 42 is gonna be the play there. And then finally, we have got the Detroit Lions at the Rams. That is the upset of the week. We're gonna go lines, money line. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:22

All right, my pen went out on me, so I missed uh one of them. So I got Bengals on the money line. Uh-huh. I got Raiders Raiders at Eagles under 39 and a half.

SPEAKER_05: 2:10:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:35

I've got Chargers plus seven and a half.

SPEAKER_05: 2:10:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:39

I've got Colts at Seattle under 42 and a half.

SPEAKER_05: 2:10:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:43

I got Lions on the money line, and I'm missing one. Uh is Carolina at New Orleans under 42. Carolina at New Orleans under 42.

SPEAKER_05: 2:10:55

Yep. You like and no fucking point scored there, Lee. Wait, and then one more thing. Oh, yeah. Before you like and love it, because I didn't add the bonus, I just wanted to hurry and get that clip in there. Um, because I don't like cutting that stuff. We got Army at Navy. This game means a lot, I'm sure, to you. No, it doesn't. But uh it is a pretty important game. That's why they highlighted every uh year. I know that they've done it in Annapolis. I know that they've done it. Um they do it in Philly, yeah, normally. That's what I was thinking. That game is normally in Philadelphia. Um, but as a special bonus pick here, I'm gonna pick uh the side and also the uh over under. I like Navy on the money, they're better than Army, and then I like over 38 and a half, believe it or not. Both of these teams throw more, so that's why I like the over. So we got Navy on the money line and over 38 and a half. Yep, those are just two bonus picks. So I guess we could call it half a baker's, half half a double baker's dozen. Sure.

SPEAKER_04: 2:12:00

Uh you like it, I love it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:12:03

And when you love it, that means there's time for leads three. Leave three, lead three.

SPEAKER_04: 2:12:11

All right, so for leaves three, uh, you know, give me that Raiders and Eagles under 39 and a half. Uh, you know, I only think the Raiders get a Brock Bowers touchdown, and the Eagles have been impotent on offense. Jalen Hurts, we didn't really talk about it, had one of the worst games ever. First player in NFL history to record two turnovers on the same play. Um, so I like that. Isn't that crazy? Not really. I thought it was. I mean, he has won a lot of games, but again, sometimes two turnovers on one play. Oh, yeah, that is crazy.

SPEAKER_05: 2:12:50

That's what I'm saying. Not them losing, it was just more of like the turnovers, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 2:12:54

Give me the Chargers plus seven and a half. I don't think the Chiefs drop four in a row, but I don't think they're good.

SPEAKER_05: 2:13:04

Man, I think seven and a half is steep.

SPEAKER_04: 2:13:07

Yeah. And give me that Carolina at New Orleans under 42 and a half or 42, whatever it was. Under uh, because you know what?

SPEAKER_05: 2:13:16

Shocked you don't like the any of the dog picks. Oh lines at Rams.

SPEAKER_04: 2:13:24

I I do like I do like I do like them, but those unders were honestly so juicy because I don't believe in these offenses at all that it's just like uh you know what? Let's just throw some chum in the water. Uh I like I like the chance of me getting up getting a bite here, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 2:13:43

I understand it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:13:45

But hey, Parlay P, that's another show. Uh anything you want to say as we close out?

SPEAKER_05: 2:13:53

Uh well, salutations, good people. I appreciate all the people that uh obviously tuned in. I we can kind of see the numbers as they go. I don't think it's everything because I don't know if IG is counting in that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:14:05

But like IG and Facebook don't always reflect appropriately.

SPEAKER_05: 2:14:09

But from YouTube, obviously, we I give Singkoi5102, our Filipino brother that tuned in, and then Greg Epps, he also commented. So we appreciate all the listeners, and then certainly everybody that comments. But outside of that, I think that we're good to go here.

SPEAKER_04: 2:14:24

Hey guys, thanks for listening this week. We'll be back uh next Wednesday. Uh if you didn't catch the full live stream, check us out uh on YouTube, Facebook, uh, Instagram, and uh more importantly, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere you find uh podcasts, uh Washington winning, watched and winning. And uh if you want to find uh all our content that I put out, uh AC Lee is uh culturally inappropriate, uh check that out. Uh but anyways, guys, uh have a great week. Hey, I'll hey, don't get off yet. Pause.

SPEAKER_06: 2:14:55

Okay.

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Stream is over.