Mr. Blank, Tear Down This Wall, Make Atlanta Great Again

The calendar flips to November and the vibes split: family milestones and Marine pride on one side, then a blunt Falcons reckoning on the other. We lay out why Atlanta’s defense is doing enough, why the offense isn’t, and how “take the points” is more than a motto—it’s the difference between winning and wasting solid game scripts. From playcalling that doesn’t create layups to a rookie QB who needs a coordinator with real reps, we make the case for building an identity that travels and a sideline standard that doesn’t flinch in the red zone.

We widen the lens to the coaching tree Atlanta didn’t climb—names like Mike Macdonald, Jim Harbaugh, and Ben Johnson—and talk about what a serious reset would require if ownership fires Raheem. Then we break down the Cowboys’ roster calculus, why interior pressure can be smarter currency than edge stardom, and how good front offices use in-season trades to write their offseason plan with real data.

The conversation pivots to the NBA’s soul: Ja Morant, a Euro-leaning coaching trend, and a league sliding into five-out sameness that blunts star power. We argue for letting elite players dictate pressure, playing real minutes when it matters, and rebuilding a TV product that feels urgent instead of generic. Finally, we hit college football’s ranking optics, brand gravity, and the buyout arms race, making a case for shorter initial contracts and smarter schedule standards.

Stick around for our weekly picks across college and the NFL, plus a few spicy predictions that could swing your weekend. If this episode hits a nerve, share it with a friend, leave a quick review, and tell us the one move your team must make before it all slips away.

Chapters

• 0:35 Cold Open, Birthdays, And Marine Pride
• 3:28 Why November Matters: Family And Football
• 4:52 Falcons Meltdown And Fan Fatigue
• 10:50 Berlin Trip And “Tear Down This Wall”
• 11:57 Defense Delivers, Offense Flails
• 12:56 Coaching, Playcalling, And Taking Points
• 16:14 Rookie QB Context And Coordinator Fit
• 18:56 The HC You Didn’t Hire: Regret Tour
• 22:30 Playoff Drought And What Patience Means
• 26:36 If You Fire Ra, What’s Next?
• 28:56 Big-Game Hunting For A Real HC
• 31:44 Cowboys Trades, Micah Fallout, And Team-Building
• 37:16 Cornerback Value And Turnover Math
• 40:12 Eagles Move, NFC Picture, And Ceiling Talk
• 43:56 Injury Risks, Game Management, And Results
• 46:07 Seattle Humming, Kubiak Trees, And Scheme Fits
• 50:56 Fantasy League Banter And Matchups
• 1:01:07 College Rankings, Optics, And Brand Power
• 1:10:40 Contracts, Buyouts, And Coaching Stability
• 1:17:08 NBA Pivot: Ja Morant, Coaching, And Euro Trends
• 1:28:44 The NBA’s Style Problem And Star Power
• 1:36:40 TV Product Misses And Media Moves
• 1:45:09 World Series Notes And Audience Reality
• 1:47:58 Weekly Picks: College And NFL
• 1:58:38 Two-Minute Drill: 2028 Politics And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:35

Golly, look at this rookie, not even ready. Don't even got their headphones on, all discombobulated, didn't even have the music, didn't even have the right music cued up ready to go to really give this pod the nice kickoff that it deserves, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 0:53

You know, I didn't even look up and realize that you had the countdown going. Oh. Yeah. My bad. No, no, no, no, no. We're all good. I know when you said ready, I'm like, normally I'll hear like the countdown music, and I'm like, so I'm just like looking at this score of this Toledo game. But um, how we doing today? I I'm doing great, man.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16

And I know it's early, but it's our first podcast of November. So we gotta bring that big, big Scorpio energy to the pod today, Parlay Pete. You know, for starters, we got the real one. Baby Lowe. My daughter, Lorena J. Lee, her birthday is tomorrow, November 6th. Uh, shout out to her, she'll be the big three. Yeah, you know. Baby Lowe turning three. Then, you know, I got this hat on right here. And very rarely do I show my veteran pride. But I have a 250-year anniversary of the Marine Corps because this year our good old United States Marine Corps to turns 250 years old. Uh an organization I spent 10 years in, an organization that my parents met each other in. Uh, it allowed me to meet Cindy, create low, you know, it's and it's an organization that I wouldn't be here without for many reasons. Uh, so shout out to the Marine Corps. And then, you know, the last important thing before Thanksgiving. You know, we got a real one turning 34. You know, it's my Chucky.

SPEAKER_04: 2:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:41

Let's see if we can run a bag up, because my Scott Piffya was a Scott Piffya.

SPEAKER_04: 2:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 2:50

Well, would you say that uh by far November is your favorite time of the year?

SPEAKER_01: 2:56

Uh, it has become my favorite time of the year. I'm more of a Thanksgiving guy than a Christmas guy because I enjoy the family being together, but I don't necessarily like want or need gifts because for most of my life I've been able to go to the store and get the things I want when I want them or be okay not having them. Uh so don't really care about gifts. And then my birthday's in November, but now and then when I was in the Marine Corps, you got the ball every year in November, which is a great time. And now, honestly, most importantly, it's my daughter's birthday.

SPEAKER_00: 3:27

Exactly. And more and another important aspect to the too is you know, this is when football season starts to heat up. Yeah. It's the end of college football at the end of this month, basically. Well, the regular season at least, it'll be over uh the day after Thanksgiving. Um you know whether or not your team is pretty much in or out in the NFL by the end of this month. Yeah, big month in deep. I mean, we already know now. It's beginning of the month. Yeah, well, we know, we know, we know we're out. Our team's out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:02

You know, it's uh, you know, it's if we're being honest, man. Nah, we're not even doing that. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02: 4:11

It's obvious what's being done out here. It's on a nightly basis. I hope the world can see now what's really going on out here because it's getting ridiculous. It's really ridiculous. Yes, man. It's this is ridiculous, man. Ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01: 4:32

You ready to get into this right now, ma'am?

SPEAKER_00: 4:35

Yeah, there's nothing to rise up about. I mean, I I don't even understand what at this point that can't be a slogan for us because that's not what we do. We don't get up for games. Um, we find a way to to to fall to the occasion. We don't rise to it, we fall to the occasion.

SPEAKER_01: 4:56

Um you know the Falcon Me after tongue and groove on Friday night. Just couldn't get up for the occasion.

SPEAKER_00: 5:07

Yeah, you know, just fell asleep at the wheel.

SPEAKER_01: 5:10

Yeah, you know, um, you know, you act like you're gonna be here all night and party and have a good time.

SPEAKER_04: 5:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:18

Well, when it's when when it really counts, when the game is on the line and you've left the club, this nigga sleep.

SPEAKER_00: 5:31

Yeah, no, and yeah, I wouldn't say you necessarily missed out on it. Well, there was actually quite a few things that kind of just transpired. As you saw when you woke up and how we left, what happened. There was a lot of like stuff going on.

SPEAKER_01: 5:44

Well, I was just telling a story because in and I know in the grand scheme of things, I didn't miss anything, but when you think about like a story of Epic Night and kind of the way that our night was, you know, where we started the night, how we got to where we were going, where we were at while we were there, kind of the energy that came with that. Then, you know, going back to where we ended up staying at, like it you when you do all of that stuff on the front end, like the the way that you want the night to end is kind of how it ended, and you should be waiting for that to see where it can go.

SPEAKER_00: 6:20

Correct. And uh, we don't fault you for that, but I do fault the Falcons for not closing out their day, night, whatever the game, the correct way, because again, the kicker reared his ugly head, and you know Josh Holmes' birds, man. Well, and here's the thing I I I just feel as if obviously you blame the loss on him because we'll never know what could have happened if he just makes the kick. But he also got off to a slow start in the game. Um, what about contained them in the second half? Like, I feel like they kind of contained him in the second half. Yeah, and so you know, it just it's just much ado about nothing. It was more of the same. It's more of what we've been talking about for weeks, more of what we talked about last week, kind of after the Dolphins game. Drake London comes out, he has a hat trick. Um, you know, James Pierce gets a or well, both of our rookies assist. Jalen Jalen Walker gets the sack strip, James Pierce recovers the fumble. He's kind of celebrating early for whatever reason. I mean, it's okay we ended up scoring, but fella should have got his first touchdown of his career on that play. But because he was like celebrating, I know that he was sticking the ball out to try and get it, but he's also like high stepping a little. It was just, I don't know. That's how people fumble into the end zone.

SPEAKER_01: 7:48

And so he may have been trying to kick his legs up for the guy running behind him, trying to clip at his ankles. You know, but we also have an organization ran by a hard R. And when you got hard aura running the organization, you know, you have hard aura energy going down the entire organization, and that was some hard aura behavior.

SPEAKER_00: 8:12

Yeah, and I just think that, you know, when's enough gonna be enough? Is is just my thing. It never it really is a fuck you to the fans. Like I can't explain it any better than than that. It's a fuck you to the fans with everything that they continue to do week in and week out. We're we're sitting at three or five. Think about it. Last year around this time, we were five and three. And we we ended up shitting the bed in the second half, and maybe maybe that's what ends up happening here. Maybe we go the opposite direction, right? Because we ended up being six and three. We beat the Dallas Cowboys, we were headed into New Orleans on top of the world. We were playing a batter New Orleans team that just fired their coach. And the expectation was, oh man, they're gonna blow doors. The Falcons look like they're about to coast to the division title. But in this case, with us, we are on the opposite end of that spectrum. We're three and five now, headed to Berlin to play a team that coming into last week had the best record in the NFL and still does. They're tied for the best record in the NFL. Oh, but by the way, they and then by the way, they added an all-pro uh cornerback to their arsenal now. And he's expected to play.

SPEAKER_01: 9:30

And the big corner who actually matches up well with Drake London.

SPEAKER_00: 9:34

Right. And so um And they lost, remember, a pissed-off Colts team that lost. Right, and they're right, exactly. They're coming off a loss in the worst game that they played all season. Daniel Jones had five turnovers.

SPEAKER_01: 9:46

I mean, think about this. They had six turnovers and they lost by a score. I don't, bro, that's a good football team. I guess it against the division leading team currently. Yeah, bro, like you you you turn over the ball six times and you lose by a score. You're a good football team.

SPEAKER_00: 10:03

Yeah, and so we got to deal with that now. Um, yeah, and it kind of goes into the title of this podcast this week. Mr. Blank, tear down this wall. We need him to tear it down. And maybe this weekend we'll we'll get to see the implosion literally in Berlin. Because that's what it feels like we're headed towards.

SPEAKER_01: 10:32

Well, here's what it is. Jeff Olbrick. Nothing I say relates to you, your side of the ball, and the operation you're running. By no means are y'all perfect. You know, we'd like for you to give up less than 24 points in a game. But when you give up 24 and you pretty much shut them down in the second half, you get your what five, six sacks, you get two turnovers. You've done your job, man.

SPEAKER_04: 11:04

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 11:05

Gave the offense an opportunity to to win. You should have scored a defensive touchdown, but you put them on the doorstep. So uh nothing I say uh it involves Jeff Albrick, but let's start with Ra. I'm gonna start on the field because everybody knows how we feel about Rich. And it's like beating a dead horse, but two prop the problem is this motherfucker won't die. He's still here. And but let's start with Ra. Zach Robinson is a terrible offensive coordinator. Raheem Morris.

SPEAKER_00: 11:41

He's he's damn near competent.

SPEAKER_01: 11:43

Raheem Morris, you wanted uh from by all accounts, y'all were high on Michael Penix in LA. So then when you get the Falcons job, you really fall in love with him. You go get Kirk Cousins to be your bridge quarterback to try to get you some instant success because you see that you have uh uh a roster that's close, some minor adjustments, Kirk should be able to get you there, year one, year two, get Penix ready for you know, moving forward. Great idea. But when Kirk Cousins fails, you now have to understand that you no longer have a veteran quarterback, you have a rookie quarterback. A rookie quarterback who's different. One, he's left-handed, two, he's athletic, but does not run. That's important to know. He's pretty much a pocket guy. You know what? You kind of need a coordinator who's been there before. And granted, Ra, I know you've been an assistant head coach, I know you've been a head coach years ago. You probably should have gone and got a defensive court uh offensive coordinator who's been in the league for a while, former head coach to help you coach. But then when you got this rookie, you got somebody who can coach this rookie who's seen multiple quarterbacks, who's called plays, who's who's executed in multiple systems with different types of players so that we can make things easy. Because one thing I've noticed from the Falcons' offense ain't much easy. It's B John in the flats, B. John running the ball, Drake London making a contested catch. But we don't have many plays where people are wide to slap open, where it's like, yo, I love what play calls that. Like we don't have people being schemed open. But I blame Coach Morris for this because he's the head man. And as we see, like his fucking ankles, we're not buttoned up. I don't want to see my coach's ankles on the sideline. I'm sorry. I don't. I like when coaches wore khakis or wore uh team polos. Maybe you got a pullover on, maybe you've got um uh a sweater vest, you know what I mean? Like there is something about looking like you're about business that gives off the image that you are about business. But when you look like you're out here to be fly and play and look cool, that's how your team looks. It doesn't look buttoned up. And I know I sound like an old fuck because none of that stuff really should matter if you're executing, but the problem is you're not executing. We got kickers missing field goals. We're choosing to go for it on fourth down instead of taking the points. Guess what? If you take those points in the first half when you had that field goal where you didn't get a touchdown, you know what the score is? Instead of it being 23-24, it's 25, uh, it's uh 26-24. Holy shit. You're up. They gotta they gotta go get three. It changes the game. Take points. Like we're good, we're probably gonna get into it in this basketball stuff, but don't make simple things difficult. Everything doesn't need a uh a uh formula in order for you to get the answer. Sometimes one plus one equals two, and that's the answer. If the Falcons don't have a great offensive performance this week, if we don't light up the scoreboard or if the all if we don't play complimentary football where the defense actually contains Jonathan Taylor, we keep them to somewhere between 17 and 24 points, and we can't win the game, you gotta go, Zach. Now, if we light them up for 45 points and lose, you know what, Zach, you live to fight another day. But no, man. Zach's gotta go. And I I hate to do this to Coach Ra, but you got you got a few games left, man.

SPEAKER_00: 16:03

Yeah, and I I don't think that there's anything positive that we can really take away from from what this season has been. We haven't seen any development in Kirk, I mean not in Michael Penix. And it gets back to what you said. You didn't get somebody that has a track record of doing these things, somebody that's been in the league, somebody that develops quarterbacks. You want to know what's going on around us? Look at everybody in our division, right? Dave Canales. Oh, he's got a track, he's developed a quarterback, or or he's we've seen good work come out of him working with the quarterback. That's why he got a head coaching job. Kellen Moore, oh man, we've seen some good work coming out of Kellen Moore. He's he's he's dealt with quarterbacks. Um, I mean, Todd Bowles is a little different, but they're the standard in the division, so we're not even gonna bring them up.

SPEAKER_01: 16:49

Uh, but he's but he's bringing in coordinators, whether it's Canales, Cohen, or whoever the hell it is down there. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 16:56

There's there's two guys that have worked with that organization that are now head coaches because they've developed quarterbacks, and so you just look around the league. Everybody that got drafted the same year as Michael Penix won a football game on Sunday. Guess who didn't? Michael Penix didn't. Everybody else did. Yeah, of course, somebody was gonna lose, but why did it have to be us? Why couldn't it have been Drake May that took the loss? Oh, because he's got Josh McDaniels, a guy that's worked with a lot of quarterbacks. He's worked with the greatest of them all.

SPEAKER_01: 17:24

Oh, and guess who else he has? He has Mike Vrabel, a guy that we interviewed who would have brought Josh McDaniels with him. Holy shit!

SPEAKER_00: 17:32

Or, ooh, let's look at let's look at Seattle, Mike McDonald. That's another guy that we interviewed. Wait a minute. He knows defense, okay. Okay, he hires Clint Kubiak from the Saints. That shit looks like it's fucking humming. Oh, they see it. But we didn't want him any. We didn't want him. He's six six and two. Okay, who else? Hey, we didn't want Sam Donald either. We we we got Desmond. Yeah. John, let's see, Jim Harbaugh, he's six and three. I mean, he's got a proven track record everywhere he's been. Did we interview him? Yeah, we interviewed him twice, too. Okay. So so essentially, everybody that was in, oh, Ben Johnson. Could have got Ben Johnson possibly, if that's what you really wanted. Could have got big, big Ben. Ben's out here, he's showing that he knows how to develop, he knows how to call plays and scheme for matchups. Wow, what are they doing? They're five and three. Really? You don't say, hmm. Yeah, I just think that at this point, it's it's it's frustrating to be a Falcons fan. It really, really is, and it does make you question do I really need to continue to cheer for this? Because now we're going on, what is this? This would be year eight or nine? Uh-oh. Of not making the playoffs. Eight. This would be the eighth straight year. So this is the longest it's been. Last year made the longest it had been. We had the Falcons had never gone more than six years without making the playoffs. Now we're about to be on year eight. This is a bad football organization. It's badly coached and it's not well managed. And the reality of the situation is, too, in a weird way, the talent kind of underperforms at times. So you get that collection of stuff going on, you're gonna end up being a three-and-five football team. You know, you're gonna look like a team that uh is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyatt. You don't know who the fuck's gonna show up next week because you don't know what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01: 19:27

And so guess who gets fired as well and may never get another job again? The GM.

SPEAKER_00: 19:40

Because those guys don't typically get second jobs.

SPEAKER_01: 19:44

I mean, TD hasn't got a second job, and he got a team to a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_00: 19:47

Yeah, uh, and I think everybody really hated how that capped stuff in. Yeah, but a lot of bad contracts and it was, but we talked about it last week. And yeah, he was terrible. He I'll say this much he was pretty bad when it came to later rounds pick. I mean, he never picked anyone, like we took Peter Kahns in the second round.

SPEAKER_01: 20:07

Who drafted uh Landman?

SPEAKER_00: 20:11

That was a great pick. I think he was undrafted and they just signed him. Was that was that Terry or T D? That was I no, I think that was under Terry. That was under the Arthur Smith regime.

SPEAKER_01: 20:21

I mean, look at her. Terry finds talent. That's the point. And he's put talent on that field. He he he he drafted weapons, he fortified the offensive line throughout the he didn't pick the coach. Well, I don't think he picked the coaching either. He never he didn't pick a coach at all. No, he he didn't, I know we know he didn't pick Arthur because remember, uh Arthur was hired first. Yeah, when they talked about who's gonna make the uh who he didn't pick Raheem either.

SPEAKER_00: 20:49

Well, no, that wasn't his choice. Well, we know who picked Raheem. Now, Bill might have not been his choice either, but like that wasn't his choice. That was Rich's call. Rich said, I want a guy that we've worked with before.

SPEAKER_01: 21:06

Well, well, well, you know, Rich. We talk about this. Rich wasn't Rich had no interest in Bill because Rich was really gonna be working for the Atlanta United if Bill showed up.

SPEAKER_00: 21:23

Wasted opportunities, and that's pretty much what our team has come to. We're just a wasted opportunity. Um how can we turn this around this year? Win football games, winning cures all at the end of the day. They've got a golden opportunity. If they can beat the Colts, your schedule, at least on paper, sets up to be winnable. You play the Jets, who are pretty much bowing out all together this season. Yep. That's a team that you should be able to take advantage of in New York. Um, you got to play the Saints still twice. That's another one and seven football team. And I I'll hold my breath because we've already lost to a one football team this season. So, a one-win football team this season. So I guess these aren't just slam duck wins, but it does set up nicely for you to rebound if you can get this one, right? Um the rebound really should have been this past week. But then again, you should have never lost to the Dolphins to where this would have been an okay loss in a sense of, well, with the way that they're playing and the fact it was on the road, it's an understandable loss. Yeah, we don't get we don't get points for covering spreads, which is what they did. They did cover the spread, but that doesn't show up in the win column.

SPEAKER_01: 22:37

So and when you drop games like the Carolina game and you get blown out uh by the Dolphins.

SPEAKER_00: 22:45

That loss is starting to not look as bad, though. We know it's still a bad loss, not just because of how he lost, but we're I still believe we're we're a better football team than the Panthers. But it doesn't, it doesn't look like a bad loss anymore, Lee.

SPEAKER_01: 22:59

I mean, it doesn't look like it, but we know what it is, okay? We we watched the game. Okay. I'm feeling it up now. We outgame him and couldn't get inside the 20. You know, Bryce Young wins games and doesn't, and he has like running back games, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 23:16

You know.

SPEAKER_01: 23:18

So I'm 20 attempts for 110 yards.

SPEAKER_00: 23:21

I'm looking at this now, because at first I was starting to draw a blank there. I was like, well, I was like, hold on a second. I was like, who do we play next week? You get Carolina here. Now, if you lose that game to Indianapolis, I guarantee you that half that stadium is gonna be wearing Carolina blue if we lose this game on Sunday. Probably. Because at that point, we know the season's over. And the season ticket holder stops showing up. Yeah, exactly, because nobody wants to see that bullshit. But you get some revenge if you can win this game this weekend. You get some revenge on Carolina, you're back at 500, and then you get the Saints and the Jets. You can turn it around, but you have to win. It's really simple. There's nothing else I want to see. I don't want to see Michael Penix develop and we lose. I don't want to see that. I want to see him develop and we win. Win the football game. Do what you need to do to win the fucking football game. You signed Zayn Gonzalez now as your kicker. He's got a better leg than Parker Romo. There's no doubt about that. But he's also somebody that I don't know. It's uh there's a reason why he's not on a he wasn't on a roster. You know what I mean? I know that he made a game-winning field goal for Washington last year against Tampa, right? So at least we we've seen, okay, in a pressure situation, he's made kicks. But there's still a reason why he wasn't back with them last year, and they they brought in Matt Gay. So it's like we'll see, we'll see what ends up happening. But I don't have any faith in this team. I mean, my confidence is down to a one. I don't I have none in them, seriously. And that's pretty sad because anyone that knows me knows that if there's anyone that will be delusional about the Falcons, it will be me. I can't even be delusional about this anymore because I know what I'm seeing every week. I don't have hope because every time that you do get a little bit of hope, you know, they're like that chick that's like blowing you off. You know, you you you believe that you're you're gonna get some ass out of this. You're not looking to necessarily get some ass, but that's the belief that's being displayed to you. And you're walking away with a hand job at best.

SPEAKER_01: 25:29

That's what you get. And at this ripe old age, if if a hand job is all I can get, I'll take nothing.

SPEAKER_00: 25:37

Right, and that's kind of where we're at as a as a team. There is no there is no moral victories.

SPEAKER_01: 25:43

No, because like the playoff drought has been so long that optimism at the end of the season, it's still pep, it's still pessimism, because it's like, how come we couldn't do this all year? Like, why did it take so long? You know, and I and that puts the Falcons in a tough spot because I can understand moving off of Coach Ra.

SPEAKER_04: 26:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:07

Uh and and not even for the record, honestly, it's for the football operation itself. And uh but if if you move off of Coach Ra, how many years are you giving the next coach? And are you gonna give him enough years? And then do we turn into like a team that becomes a turnstile of coaches, and now it's gonna be hard to get a good established coach, and we gotta hope we get it right with a first timer because nobody is really gonna take that job seriously.

SPEAKER_00: 26:36

Well, the thing is, is this if you're getting rid of Ra, you're out here, you're going big game hunting. Like there is no if, ands, or but uh buts about it. Arthur knows that his time on this earth isn't gonna be that much fucking longer. Now, that's just realisticness. If it doesn't matter that he's a billionaire, whatever. Well, he might be in a 80s.

SPEAKER_01: 26:58

Hey, that Brady got that that that cloning technology. He he may, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00: 27:03

Yeah, I'm sure they still got Walt Disney somewhere on ice, but this is this is what I'm saying. He's gotta go big game hunting. That next head coach, whether it's them actually hiring Bill this time around, which I don't even know if that is even the right move. Not now, I don't, not because of what he's doing in Carolina either. I just don't think that that's the right move now at this point because you've got to bring in somebody, you need to get the next best. I mean, I don't give a fuck if you gotta poach somebody. You don't have a first-round pick this year, which you know, it is what it is. Like, I'm understandable. I didn't, I was not mad at that move when we made it, and I think that James Pierce will ultimately end up paying off to where it doesn't really matter. But that was an all-in move. They put all our we pushed all the chips in. This this regime has put all this chips in. That's what that was. That was a that was an all-in move, and it's not paying off right now. The house is kicking our ass. All right. If somebody's gonna give you that line of credit, you better go get the most guaranteed shit that you can get with that line of credit. I mean, but don't hire a fucking like like when they hire DQ, you know, they'll hire these firms to do these social. Don't do that. Don't do that, Arthur. You call up the top fucking football heads and you say, hey, I mean, I don't give a shit. Get bring in Bill Parcells. Bring in Bill Cole to say, hey guys, I need you guys to help me with this. We need to get the best fucking football coach possible. Who are our options? Who's realistic? Is there anyone that we can poach? What are your thoughts on this? He's the next up-and-coming coordinator. What's your thoughts on Mike McCarthy? I wouldn't be mad at that. I'm okay with Mike McCarthy. Okay. I'd be I'd be I would be fine with that. He's got a winning track record. He's not just because he's won a Super Bowl, he did well in Dallas, too. It wasn't really his fault. I just feel like the Cowboys are the Cowboys.

SPEAKER_01: 28:53

And so it's like the the Cowboys are a consistent playoff roster, but they're not a Super Bowl roster.

SPEAKER_00: 29:04

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_01: 29:05

Like, and just the way the team is constructed, they're constructed to win 10 games a year, but they're not, even when they win 12 or 13 games, they're not built to to win Super Bowls. They haven't been. Um but with that, I don't think that um, you know, and maybe that takes us to this next conversation. But I I think Jerry's catching way too much hell for um for his moves this this season. You know, he traded away Michael Parsons. Then he trades for Quentin Williams and a linebacker from from one of the worst in the league that, you know, cool. Uh Jerry's catching a lot a lot of flack for that Quentin Williams trade. I I think it's a good trade because it's harder to find good, solid interior defensive linemen than it is to find good ends. And if you Can fortify the middle of your defense, it allows you to uh have lesser ends who still get good production because they can't run the ball up the middle, and you're forcing internal pressure. If you force internal pressure, it makes your quarterback get out of the pocket, and now you're open you're creating sacks for those outside guys. Now, one thing about Jerry Jones is Jerry Jones knows talent. Like there's no ands or buts about it. Jerry Jones knows talent, and Jerry Jones is not afraid to spend money on talent. Now, where Jerry Jones fucks up is he fucks up extensions. He he he he signs players late, he doesn't sign them early, he sweats them out to the last minute, and it usually gets bent over. But for all of those who are out here upset with Jerry about bringing in other defensive players when he could have just kept Micah, let's just think about something. Maybe Jerry didn't want Micah on his roster. I I get it. All pro multiple time all pro great player. Most teams would die to have Micah Parsons on their roster.

SPEAKER_04: 31:03

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 31:04

Well, you have you had the reports come out about how players had an issue with him as immaturity, the podcast and stuff. If you go back to Penn State, you know, he got caught up in some stuff that we don't really talk about, but some signs of immaturity. I'm not saying he's immature for the Penn State stuff because he's a kid. And you do dumb shit in the locker room. But if the players aren't in love with Micah, and then the owner feels like the player negotiated in bad faith, even though the owner was having negotiations that violated the CBA. But again, this is an old 80-plus-year-old billionaire. You you kind of don't tell him how to spend his money, even if there are rules, uh, Steve Ballmer. Um, but if Jerry says, I don't want this guy on my team anymore, I understand that he's very productive and I need to replace that production, but we can't stop the run with or without Micah. So we need it, we need guys on the interior line to help stop the run as opposed to just a pass rusher who's lighting the ass and isn't great stopping the run. Uh yeah. Let's get this nigga up out of here and let's bring in some guys who I want to be here, guys who I want to pay. And I think an owner is well within his rights. If he does not want to pay a player because some contract negotiations fell out, trade him. And hey, Jerry, you got two Pro Bowlers out of the trade, and what you still got an extra draft pick.

SPEAKER_00: 32:35

And that's why they want that's why I don't understand why people are upset about the trade. I'm like, well, they got a first round pick, and they got one pro bowler who is like in his prime all-pro type player, and the other one's a former pro bowler that is still a good player at the end of the day. And all you did was give up one of those first-round picks that you did get in that trade. It made a lot of sense to me. And I didn't look at it as yes, it can help them right now, but I don't this move wasn't for right now. And every any and everybody that looks at it should know that, especially after the Arizona game.

SPEAKER_01: 33:11

Like, can we talk about that real quick though? Like, I understand we live in a microwave take world, right?

SPEAKER_04: 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 33:22

But since when was every move that an organization makes a win-now move? You know, like sometimes teams do make win-now moves because they're close. Or if you're like Dallas, you go, hey, we have a playoff offense. Our defense sucks. You know, let's make some trades. Maybe this helps us this year, but if not, it helps us moving forward. We understand what our cap situation is. We're getting players who have proven to be productive players at the NFL level versus getting a college kid who we don't know who what he's gonna be, and it may take that player two to three years to get there. But Dallas may look at competing next year. If they can share up the defense, they'll compete next year. So I I just hate that everybody thinks that every move has to be a right now move. No, part of building a good team, even if you make in-season trades, i.e. the Lakers trading AD for goddamn Luca, that was not a today trade. That trade may have, at the day of that trade, may have set the Lakers back in winning a championship right now. But long term, we understand where we're going and now we can adjust how we're building this team. Now Dallas goes into the offseason saying, you know what, we got our our in our our our tackle, deep tackles stirred up. We've brought in a linebacker who we've who we've got half of a season to see in our system to be able to evaluate him to decide what else we need. We've got these corners out here who can grab picks, but they can't cover shit to save their lives. How do we recreate what Dan Quinn had so that we can get these picks? And yeah, we're gonna give up big plays, but we're gonna take the ball away. You understand what I'm saying? Like, and shoddy is got the offense rolling. You know what I mean? Yeah, they don't play great every week, but shoddy's got the offense rolling. So I I just think the people who are wanting to overreact and say it's a bad trade, you know, I'm not talking about Josh Holsey because he doesn't put his shit out there publicly. He just says things that are bad, like, because he believes it. You know what I mean? Why is an Eagles fan? Well, he because he thinks that Howie Rose, he he thinks he's Howie Roseman. You know, he takes on the life of his GM. So if he doesn't think Howie would make the move, he goes, oh man, it's stupid. Yeah, he scoffs at it. You know, like, why would you give up a first round pick and you're not even gonna be and you're not even gonna be good this year? Like, well, Josh, what if Quentin Williams is better than the person who's available at that pick next year? Have you ever thought about that? Have you ever thought that like a guy who's an all-pro is better than a guy coming out of college who may or may not ever become an all-pro? You know, if I can have Patrick Mahomes, I'm gonna keep Patrick, I'm gonna get Patrick Mahomes. I'm not gonna take a flyer on Dylan Royola just because the guy has some similar skills and he's younger.

SPEAKER_00: 36:17

Give me a commodity. Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna trade everything in the world to get Arch Manning because his last name is Manning.

SPEAKER_01: 36:25

Uh, you know, but uh, you know, the Jets also got off of another good player.

SPEAKER_00: 36:31

They did, and again, like we kind of spoke about a little bit uh earlier, we get to see him in action. We get to to wake up early in the morning, have a little breakfast, and uh, you know, swallow what I hope is not a what this would be our fourth straight loss if we lose. Yeah. Because now they've got a what many consider probably the second best corner in the NFL, or some would say at least. Some would. I think he's made two all pros already. So I mean he's up there, no doubt. He's not a DPOI, like the best, the the for sure best corner in the NFL, but he's given up like less than five touchdowns his entire career. Well, and it's it's hard to just gauge, it's still the jet. I don't know, it's hard to just look at that.

SPEAKER_01: 37:23

Bro, yeah, he's a lockdown corner, and part of being a lockdown corner is the stats don't always bear it out because when you're really locked down, they don't throw the ball at you.

SPEAKER_00: 37:37

No, they don't look your way at all.

SPEAKER_01: 37:38

Like, let me tell you something. In my flag football days, at one point, I was a lockdown corner, right? We didn't catch a lot of picks, we didn't break up a lot of passes. Because they didn't throw the ball over there.

SPEAKER_00: 37:52

Yeah, you were always there.

SPEAKER_01: 37:54

Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm here.

SPEAKER_00: 37:56

Like, ooh, that looks like a bad decision.

SPEAKER_01: 37:59

Oh, you know. When I when I when I when I when I dice you for two and three tubs on the other side of the ball, do you really want to throw it over here? I see what I do when I get this thing in my hand.

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SPEAKER_00: 38:14

He's just he's just he's a ball hawk. Hot to a yeah, he's I mean he's really got a nose for that thing.

SPEAKER_01: 38:21

But um hey hey, when that skin's in the air, I'm grabbing it. Yeah, uh what Jalen Phillips to the Eagles?

SPEAKER_00: 38:31

Yeah, I I mean, I guess a solid move for them. I mean, they lost a lot on that defense. They still are, you know, what they were six and two going into their bye.

SPEAKER_01: 38:42

Um they're not a good they're not good this year. This is like two years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 38:48

Yeah, and we'll get into it, yeah. Right, when they lost to Tampa in that that first round game, and that we'll get into it once that we get to the picks, but obviously, I've got a surprise for that game. Uh, maybe I'm giving it away right now. Um, yeah, it just I they don't move the needle. They don't uh like last year they were pretty dominant. It felt like they were dominant. It looked different. Yeah, they were dominant. They were dominant running the ball, and they were dominant, you know, on defense. Yeah, they played complimentary football. Literally, that's literally what the Eagles were last year. The best example of what complimentary football should look like.

SPEAKER_01: 39:23

And so one of the better one of the better teams both sides of the ball that like I've watched in a while last year. Like, yeah, they're not gonna go down as one of the best teams of all time because they don't have a lot of like the showy stats that make it look good. But when you just think about just good, solid football teams that line up every fucking down and just play good football. Uh, those are one of the better teams I've seen in a while.

SPEAKER_00: 39:48

Yeah, yeah. And um, yeah, so I mean that move for them. We'll see what it does, right? Like, I don't think that that's anything that's putting them over the top to be a favorite in the NFC. Like, some people still have them as a favorite. I don't like I don't think that they're gonna win their division by kind of by default in a weird way.

SPEAKER_02: 40:10

Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00: 40:11

Because Dallas kind of missed their opportunity um to at least kind of stay a little bit in it. But now they're kind of because the Giants aren't gonna win enough games. Um, and the commanders, I mean, honestly, of their season's over too. So it's like anyone that's watched Marcus Mariota play football knows that he's not capable of winning a lot of football games. That's why he hasn't done it yet.

SPEAKER_01: 40:33

And so um, yeah, I I guess I like that move for them to just sure up pass rush, but are you mad at DQ for keeping uh Jalen and uh Jaden in the game?

SPEAKER_00: 40:47

I think that he shouldn't have, and it's not because of what happened, but it's because like that is why you take him out, literally for that reason. Um and he knew that, like he knew better than that. He knew that game was over. That was literally the worst possible case scenario that could kind of happen in a situation like that. Now, luckily for him, it was just a dislocated elbow, right? So it wasn't like um non-throw shot. Yeah, and it wasn't like he tore his ACL to where, oh man, he's you know, he could miss time next year for that. Like, so there's a chance he'll come back this year. I will probably just keep him on ice because the season's gonna be over. But um yeah, not a good move by DQ.

SPEAKER_01: 41:28

No, I I don't like it, but I also don't like that we're playing the result because if we take him at his word, he said, hey, this was the last drive. I was trying to get some positive momentum, get a good drive with the starters before I pulled him. And I mean, it's football, dog. At the end of the day, it's football. And sometimes when you play football, people get hurt.

SPEAKER_00: 41:52

Shit happens.

SPEAKER_01: 41:52

Yeah, shit happens, and you can't pick the play. Like Bill Belichick used to say, if I know the play that a player was gonna get hurt, I'll pull him out the play before. You know, and it sounds so simple, but it's kind of necessary to say because you you got coaches getting beat up. Like you got Jay Gruden on the arena talking about it, you know, doing it.

SPEAKER_00: 42:16

What did he say? What did Jay say?

SPEAKER_01: 42:20

Jay was he he played some of the blame on Jaden. He played some of the blame on Cliff. He's like, hey man, you know, pretty much football players play, but like you can't, he was like, he he read it wrong. It should have been a gift. And you gotta understand in this situation, in the game that you can't win, Jayden, you don't run the ball. Like, yeah, it was a scramble, but like in this game, you don't run, you get rid of the ball, you go to the sideline because uh whatever yards you're gonna get, uh it doesn't change anything. But he was like, he's a football player, so that's what he's gonna do given the opportunity to play football. So you have to you have to protect him from himself. So it was it wasn't bad analysis. It just Jay Gruden sounds like John Gruden, he's just such a dick. He's his brother, his presentation is just so dicky.

SPEAKER_00: 43:19

Oh, as a matter of fact, yeah, it's it's like uh all right, man, like you didn't get a second job. I'm gonna start tuning into the arena more, and and I feel like because that's the organization he worked with, too. Of course, he's gonna have a real type of opinion on it, even though it's different ownership and everything now.

SPEAKER_01: 43:37

And they made the RG3 comparisons, and he was being nice about RG3. Yeah, he was like Jaden Jaden Daniels and RG3 are they're not the same person. He's not though. Well, yeah, but he though you know why he was saying it, because of what we've heard about RG3.

SPEAKER_04: 43:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 43:58

Uh you know, for one, he's a cornball brother, he's not like us. Where Jaden Daniels is a nigga.

SPEAKER_00: 44:06

A nigga that you think should be now that he's injured, somebody else is injured. They should be getting some stuff done.

SPEAKER_01: 44:15

But um Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00: 44:19

I know what I'm talking about, and so do you. You don't have to, we don't have to tell the viewers what we're talking about, but uh anyone that follows this stuff, they they kind of get the hint there.

SPEAKER_01: 44:29

I take offense to that because that was said in confidence, and I even thought about airing you out on the Detroit mayor today, and I said, you know what, I'm gonna be a good guy. I'm not even gonna bring that up on the show, but I feel attacked, so I you know, you know what you said.

SPEAKER_00: 44:43

We'll get to culture hour. You can bring up anything you want from a political standpoint. I didn't say anything wrong, I said something that made sense, actually. Um, I mean you did what you said made sense. It makes sense. Maybe not right this second. I mean, I was saying it probably, you know, pump the brakes, wait until she gets that second contract. But uh anywho, uh yeah. Seattle looked great in that game, though, by the way. Uh, that looks like a team which they were ranked number one in the NFL's power rankings, they were rated the number one team, they look fantastic.

SPEAKER_01: 45:17

Uh they gotta be correct.

SPEAKER_00: 45:19

Yeah, man. Clint Kubiak, we'll see you next year because that's what it's looking like. It's looking like we're gonna probably hire you. That is what it's looking like. Because we're gonna have to go get an offensive core uh offensive minded head coach. And you know, the thing looked good for like two weeks last year. He was running that show too.

SPEAKER_01: 45:38

Hey, but guess who else we can have as like a uh a secret coach that's not on the payroll, kind of like San Francisco has. Who's that? Oh, Gary Kubiak. Yeah, you know, that guy can coach a little bit.

SPEAKER_00: 45:54

He's got himself the Super Bowl, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01: 45:56

He does. Yeah, you know, and he's basically I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 46:02

Yeah, he's a Shanahan. I mean, at this point.

SPEAKER_01: 46:05

He was a backup for John Elway. And then he coached.

SPEAKER_00: 46:10

He hired Kyle as his OC Texans, yeah. And Matt Shaw put up great numbers, and he has no mobility.

SPEAKER_01: 46:18

And the last time we had a Shanahan offense in Atlanta, we had an MVP.

SPEAKER_00: 46:22

We had an MVP, we went to a Super Bowl, should have won a Super Bowl. I'm just saying, you know, Clint.

SPEAKER_01: 46:31

Seattle's not mad. Your wife, your wife loves Sandy Springs. Yeah. Or even if you want to live closer to the facility, you can go to Gwinnett County. Y'all love it up there.

SPEAKER_04: 46:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 46:46

But that's just wishful thinking.

SPEAKER_01: 46:47

Um, yeah, but hey, Seattle, Seattle's the real deal. Uh, Mike McDonald's the real deal.

SPEAKER_00: 46:54

And Sam Darnold is Oh, JSN is the best. I I and I really don't want to overreact. And maybe it's because he's on my fantasy team, which we'll get to that later, since we've got a big showdown here, guys. It's the Washington winning bowl.

SPEAKER_01: 47:09

Hey, now go ahead and go ahead and say your your your crazy comment, man. I I want you on the camera. I don't even want to be on the camera when you say that. What was what was the crazy comment that I made? You're you're about to say somebody's the best receiver in the league, and I don't want to be associated with that. So I just want you to say that and I'll rejoin you.

SPEAKER_00: 47:26

JSN is having the best season of any wide receiver in the NFL. I don't think it's crazy to think that maybe he is the best receiver in the league. We're getting to see him as a one for the first time, and those numbers are eye-popping. I mean, he's on pace right now to break Jerry Rice's, uh not Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson's record for yards in a season. Now, granted, of course, extra game now, but I mean, he's looked great. I mean, every week, eight, nine catches over a hundred yards. He might score. He didn't have to score last week because, you know, the attention that he's given is giving everybody else an opportunity. Sam Darnold threw a touchdown on like three or four different dudes. So, and and he wasn't one of them. So it's like, I don't know. I don't know. You know, they're winning. Uh, Cooper Cup has kind of been a shell of himself. Obviously, they go out and get Rasheed Shaheed. We didn't even bring him up in the trade talk, but he's a nice little deep threat to add to that team. I like what Seattle's got going. I mean, think about that. We gotta run into them too later on this year. They'll be back uh here as they were last year. But um gotta be ugly. Yeah, it could be. Could get could get real ugly, actually. I mean, ugly. And especially depending on what happens uh on Sunday, it could get real fucking ugly.

SPEAKER_01: 48:46

Uh any Lamar looked good last week. Lost to Josh Allen in the regular season, it doesn't mean anything. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 48:57

Much ado about nothing. Just more same old thing, right?

SPEAKER_01: 49:02

Yeah, is there anything else that really matters?

SPEAKER_00: 49:07

Uh hold on, I'm looking at the schedule. Uh peacock. No, not nothing that just pops out. You know, obviously the Bears Bengals game was highly entertaining for anyone that lost watched the last two minutes of it. Um, but you know, one of those teams is a potential playoff team and the other's not going to the playoffs. So it's just kind of like, eh. Uh JJ McCarthy, big win going to Detroit. Because I don't think anyone saw that coming. I didn't see it coming.

SPEAKER_01: 49:41

Um, no, I didn't.

SPEAKER_00: 49:43

And for that to have been his third start, it's like, okay. You know, he's two and one as a starter. He's got that blemish on his record right now of who he lost to, but you know, everybody gets a mulligan.

SPEAKER_01: 49:59

Yeah, um, we need JJ McCarthy, though, to really lock in on number 18. He's not by far the best division in football, right? Oh, yeah. No, I mean, no one's bad.

SPEAKER_00: 50:12

Yeah, when Minnesota's your last place team, I mean this way. Minnesota, if they were in our division, they wouldn't be better than Tampa, but god, it'd be fucking close. It'd be real close.

SPEAKER_01: 50:27

Oh, B Flo and and Todd Bowles dialing up on defense. That's that that gets the blood uh going a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 50:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 50:41

I know Kegels are good for men, too.

SPEAKER_00: 50:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot down there. Um, but yeah, outside of that, I mean, we didn't really get anything else. I mean, you got a huge performance out of Brock Bowers. He was back this week and made his presence felt.

SPEAKER_01: 50:56

But yeah, 35 points. Shout out to Brock Bowers. Um, hey Josh Holsey. Great game, man.

SPEAKER_04: 51:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 51:06

I mean, but I think we're here. We might as well talk about it. I don't care if the fans want to hear it. Um we're on the Cincinnati this week.

SPEAKER_00: 51:17

Cincinnati, huh? Yeah, I I think I think we got ourselves a big matchup. Um obviously we are tied record-wise. Uh, I have the tiebreaker because I have more points. But um, yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to it. I think uh this week it it will be this is a big deal, not just because we're tied, but literally, in my case at least, if I beat you and I beat you bad, uh not only does it I mean we're we're in the playoffs for the most like we're both going, so like that's not gonna be an issue. But this will probably decide our side of the division, no doubt. Like um, in my case, it's like a de facto two-game lead, kind of.

SPEAKER_01: 52:02

Bro, justice is hanging on, though.

SPEAKER_00: 52:04

He won't win, he's not gonna win that side of the division, though. And I mean, yeah, he's getting lucky because Rico Dowdle is looking like the best fucking running back in the NFL for whatever reason. But um I don't think he's strong enough at quarterback. Caleb Williams is still a little up and down himself. Like, he when he plays well, he does play really well. But like he's still kind of up and down. Um, you know, and I've just got this, you know, this roster that's gonna be really hard to beat. You know, he likes to bring up that he beat me, but the issue with him beating me was that again, he had his highest score in performance. I didn't I didn't play bad. I scored like 115 points that week, but he had two running backs that scored 30 points. So that's gonna always be hard to really beat on any given week. So that won't happen again. Um, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 52:58

I mean, I mean, I'm just looking at the league. The league's competitive as hell this year.

SPEAKER_00: 53:03

Yeah, you know, I think Gambles' team is seriously the the one to watch out for. Like top to bottom, he's kind of got the team. Nigga.

SPEAKER_01: 53:13

You saw what he did to me when I had a bad week. Like, I could have had a great week and I've I'm still not winning. He put up like 160. Yeah. Yeah. And like, like, I'm always mad that I got beat that badly simply because I just needed the points for standings. Because my point differential was nasty.

SPEAKER_00: 53:36

Yeah, and and look, I had to get over that after week one. That's kind of where I was at, you know, and that's why we made the trades that we made. We got Justin Herbert in the saddle because I said, uh-uh. I said, that CJ Stroud shit's not gonna fucking work, it's not gonna float this year. I do it every year. Every year, everybody knows I draft my team up very well. Typically, quarterback is the last thing I worry about because I can always make a trade with somebody to get one. And in this case, Mr. Holsey needed a running back. Uh, he got one, which DeAndre Swift's actually performed pretty well, but I think Justin Herbert has I've won that trade. Justin Herbert.

SPEAKER_01: 54:09

DeAndre Swift, I'm pretty sure he was available uh on waivers. Or maybe that was my other league, but I think I'm pretty sure he was available on waivers this week.

SPEAKER_00: 54:18

No, that's your other league.

SPEAKER_01: 54:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 54:20

Somebody you know nobody's dropping a DeAndre Swift in our league. You know, you look up, maybe you'll see Pacheco, sure, right? But like um I mean, I gotta start De McCardo this week. Yeah, I dropped him today.

SPEAKER_01: 54:36

Yeah, I know. I just grabbed him.

SPEAKER_00: 54:39

Yeah, well, I saw big news out of Buffalo about a certain running back not practicing, and you know.

SPEAKER_01: 54:46

You went after Singletary? Not Singletary, uh Ray Davis. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 54:55

We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_01: 54:57

Yeah, we're gonna give De McCardo a chance this week because we don't have much of an option unless somebody wants to trade. But you know, niggas don't want to trade with me.

SPEAKER_00: 55:05

So, but you know, we're at that point in the season where it's almost hard to make a trade because you're jockeying for position, and if you've got to play that person, you can't make a trade with that person.

SPEAKER_01: 55:16

Like, oh, see, I'm not hamstring but hamstrung by that. If I need a player and I need him for my team, I'm not worried about what he does for someone else's team, what the trade does for somebody else's team, because if I need that person and I believe that person's gonna give me points, I'm taking that risk. Like, you know, you know, I'm a Bill Belichick type of guy. You know, like he traded Drew Bled so in division. Yeah, he let Lawyer Malloy stay in the division. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, nigga, if I need somebody or I need you gone, I don't care where you go because I don't value you anymore.

SPEAKER_00: 55:51

Right. It doesn't have much to do with with what it is that we've got going on over here. So therefore, we're okay with you doing what you got to do because we're gonna do what we've got to do.

SPEAKER_01: 56:01

Golly, Jake Elliott sucks this year.

SPEAKER_00: 56:07

Does he?

SPEAKER_01: 56:08

Yeah, I gotta find me a kicker because you know, Brandon Aubrey's on by, but like you don't drop Brandon Aubrey because he's on by.

SPEAKER_00: 56:18

No, no, no, no, we ain't. You gotta carry two kickers for a week. Yeah, that's you know, and then they the best part about it is that you'll literally, you know, not have to worry about kicker the rest of the year. Yeah, and and and let me tell you something too. What a lot of people don't realize, I got absolutely fucked this year. So it's still remarkable that I've got the best, technically the best record in the league, because Malik Neighbors went out after week three, or during week three, so I got him for two games. Terry McLaurin was my third pick. He hasn't, he's essentially hasn't played all year. So that's two wide receivers. Now, I have the hindsight to draft JSN, but you know, and he's just having a historic basically season so far, but you played a little. Yeah. Well, nobody should feel bad for me. I like again, I tied for the best record, most points in the league. It it's okay. I beat the previous, technically the previous best team in the league last week, convincingly.

SPEAKER_01: 57:29

I mean, you're you're sit you're sitting at 7 and 2. Yeah. And I'm looking at it right now. The projections have you at 110.06, me at 108.57. Like, this is this is what this is the beauty of the of this fantasy football shit. Like, when you get a clash of the Titans, this is the type of shit you want to see.

SPEAKER_04: 57:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 57:50

And I mean, if you're playing, like, you're over here doing all this crying and shit.

SPEAKER_00: 57:54

I'm not crying, I'm just saying. I've I've overcome a lot of adversity this season with my team.

SPEAKER_01: 57:59

We talk about adversity. Mike Evans is cooked for the season, man. Yeah, but you got a Buka.

SPEAKER_00: 58:07

Okay, nigga, I'm smart. I draft well. I mean, I draft well too. That's why my team is still in the position that it's in. But I'm just saying, you know, you got literally the beneficiary of like Matt's in a terrible position because Rico Dowdell took over Tuba Hover's job. So now he no longer has an RB1. Hold on, hold on. That's hard to recover from. Who did you say? Rico Dowdle. He took over whose team? Oh, Matt Flowers.

SPEAKER_01: 58:33

Why the fuck are you talking about his team and shit that matters in the league? I know he's he's he's knocking on the door of the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00: 58:40

Matt's not a bad team, he doesn't have a bad team. I mean, I don't think he's gonna win, but you know, he's got Waddle, he's got Adams, and he's got St. Brown. That's a fucking hell of a wide receiver trio to have today. Um But we're talking about Matt Flowers in the locker room. He's got Jake Ferguson, who's in having a huge year for the Cowboys. Uh, he unfortunately for him, he lost uh Tucker Kraft, who was also having a huge year. He's got Dak, he's got Matt Savage, he's in a good spot.

SPEAKER_01: 59:09

But we're talking about Matt Flowers in our fantasy league. Yeah. Who cares?

SPEAKER_00: 59:16

Yeah. He he's he's a not he's a non-factor, right?

SPEAKER_01: 59:19

I mean, yeah, but I mean, I'm just looking at this shit, right? I barely beat Josh. Josh could be four and five right now. Mm-hmm. Will put me at six and three, but whatever. You're we're both at the top. Me, you, and Nico are all seven and two.

SPEAKER_04: 59:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 59:36

Then we got Gambles at six and three, who's the sleeping giant, who could fuck around and win the league this year, and nobody would be shocked. Like, I'm sorry. Gambles can win the league. No, he can't.

SPEAKER_00: 59:46

I absolutely believe he's got a good enough team to win.

SPEAKER_01: 59:48

We got Justice at five and four. We got JP at five and four. We got Matt Flowers and Eric Boyd at four and five. Then we got Broad and Josh at three and six. Shout out to that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:01

They'd have to pretty much win out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:03

Hey, the commission got the first pick, and he's two and seven.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:06

But you know, the commish's fault. And look, it sucks. Joe Burrow gets hurt, but you just don't take a wide receiver one, especially coming off of a historic season. He was there was no way he was gonna repeat what he did last year. Who'd he take one? Jamar Chase.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:25

I mean, it's not a bad pick, but you probably want to go right. You take B. You take Bichon. Who got who has JT? Uh because I know Nico? Yes. Because I know I could have drafted him and I would have never drafted him that early because nigga, his Daniel Jones is quarterback.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:51

But it all worked out. Let me see. Where are we at on time? Oh, okay. We're halfway through. Uh, anything else? Uh, NFL, you want to talk about before we get into the college guys? Because I I do want to get to college in this block because we've ignored a lot of college this year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:07

Uh, because the NBA kind of crept up on us, and we're doing these two-hour shows. And just for the viewers, yeah, we do pre-production, but like this show flows, so getting the timing right, it's still a work, it's it's it's there's still some work going on here, okay, guys. Bear with us, yeah. But yeah, no, fucking uh let's talk a little college ball. We got our first college football rankings coming out. Uh came out yesterday. I probably should have had it up already before I uh way ahead of you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:42

I'm getting it right now. You're way ahead of me, but I already got it up. So well.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:49

So we got Ohio State at one, Indiana at two, Texas AM at three. Please stop me if you see something that doesn't make sense to you. Alabama at four, Georgia at five, oh miss at six, BYU at seven, Texas Tech at eight, Oregon at nine. Talk to me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:07

We know why BYU is seven, but BYU is not the seventh best team in the country. I understand why they're there. It's because they hadn't lost a game. But should BYU really be number seven? Probably not. Uh look, to their credit, they play Texas Tech this week. So obviously something's gonna give there. I think Texas Tech's gonna win. We'll get to that later in the picks. But like I think they're because Texas Tech's legit. That is a legit team.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:36

I think they're positioned there because they in Oregon are really the only West Coast teams that have a chance.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:44

And even if they lose to BYU and it's not BYU to Texas Tech and it's a close game, by having them at seven, they don't drop too far and it keeps them close. Because one thing we know about about these rankings is they keep certain teams in certain positions, especially in that first poll, so that they can kind of manipulate the the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:11

Right. Because if you look at Notre Dame, right, and they're always gonna be, I would say arguably the most talked-about team because they're not in a conference. Yeah, um, they start off, you know, they lose their first two games, which the Miami loss is starting to not look very good, but still at the top what they do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:29

The my but real quick, the Miami loss isn't that bad because when you're looking at Miami's losses, it's when Carson Beck plays like shit. Right. And Carson Beck played well, and we know this as Georgia fans, when Carson Beck plays well, hard gotta be, especially when he has a team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:48

No, these are facts, but I just I guess I'm looking at it, and it's just one of those things where, you know, that's a three-loss ACC school right now. Like they're not going to the ACC title game. So um, not looking too great. Obviously, the Texas AM loss looks fantastic because Texas AM looks like the best team in the SEC right now. Um, but to their credit, they haven't lost a game since and they don't appear like they're gonna lose another game. I mean, they still gotta play USC, which can be a trappish kind of game. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. It probably won't be, but like it can be. Um, and USC, they continue to win too, which sets up to where at least, hey, that'll be a nine-win team or something that we beat at the end of the year. But if they run off 10 in a row and no conference championship game, the chips kind of fall where they may. And if it came down to similar to how last year, right, like SMU, a lot of teams were like, you gotta put SMU in, even though they lost to Clemson in the ACC title game, it's like you can't leave SMU out. Like, SMU's got to get in. Then they did end up getting in. Notre Dame's always gonna have that spot on lock. Yeah. Because of money.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:59

Yeah, money. And to Notre Dame's credit, they have, I mean, from BK to now, they're putting a product on the field that usually speaks to them deserving to be to be where they are. You know what I mean? Like Notre Dame is one of the better programs in the country. And so I give Notre Dame the benefit of the doubt, just like we give Georgia, LSU, uh, Bama, Ohio State, Michigan when they're rolling, like certain programs get the benefit of the doubt just because of who they are. So I like that. But let's uh continue, and then we'll go back and I'll and I'll have some uh comments. Uh we got Texas Tech 8, Oregon 9, Notre Dame 10, Texas 11. We're gonna keep Texas close because if we can get Texas, if Texas beats Georgia, oh God, the the the networks are happy, okay? Uh Oklahoma at 12, Utah at 13, Virginia at 14, Louisville at 15, Vandy at 16, Georgia Tech with the percipes fall uh at 17, Miami at 18, South Carolina, excuse me, Southern Cal at 19, Iowa, who gives a fuck at 20, Michigan at 21, Missouri at 22, Washington at 23, Pittsburgh at 24, and uh the Power T Rocky Top will always be home, sweet home to me. Uh my alma mater, University of Tennessee at 25.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:31

Yeah, and and the reason why, too, and we go through that whole entire ranking is because it does matter, right? Because now the teams that are ranked on that back end are what strengthen um arguments for the teams that are sitting there at 15, 16, 14, 13, right? And the teams that are in that are in currently. It strengthens it because it's like, well, this is a team that we beat, all right? Like they're a ranked team, their losses are to quality opponents, i.e. us. It it's it's crazy for tech, but it makes a lot of sense. Clemson has fallen so far. That was the tech signature win this year. They were the second team to beat Clemson. So, like it appears that you know what I mean, like that was a strong win at the time because Clemson did only lose to LSU, who now is also falling off the road, like they just completely fallen off out of the sky, like everything is fucked up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:26

Well, you thought the Clemson, you thought the Clemson win with a John Hancock, and it's more like a Thomas Jefferson, yeah. In the sense of if you've ever looked at and read the Declaration of Independence, John Hancock has the largest signature on there. Thomas Jefferson has a noticeable signature in there, and he's Thomas Jefferson, and he's him. But when they like drafted this document and they and they had niggas sign it, John Hancock was Hemothy at that point in time in history. So we thought that Clemson win was a John Hancock type of victory, a signature win, but it was Thomas Jefferson. It deserves respect, but at the time, you know what I mean? It ain't it ain't that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:06

Uh, but I look at the top of it. I don't believe that Indiana can beat Alabama. I know Alabama has an ugly, a ugly fucking loss to start with.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:20

That's another one though. Think about that's another one like now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:23

It's an ugly loss, but it was week one. Todd Simpson's finally the guy. And you just didn't look good week one. But for Alabama to have what knocked off four ranked opponents in four weeks or whatever, in four games, they're they're rolling, they're humming. I wouldn't put them above Ohio State because there's no argument for it, because Ohio State's undefeated, and that's just how we look at college football. Uh, despite the schedule, and Ohio State did beat Texas barely when uh when Arch Manning wasn't the guy we've been seeing the last couple of weeks. Uh but I I really think Alabama's the best team in the country, and I don't think Georgia's I don't think Georgia's far off. Um Ohio State is really good, and they may be the best team, but you I I don't believe in Big Ten strength of schedule. Because like the top of the Big Ten is good, but like the good teams that win games inside of the Big Ten and have good records, like your I was of the world, they're not that fucking good when you're talking about playing against NFL talent, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:45

Well, they're there they're mauling on right, they're mauling on Minnesota, who's also four and four. They're mauling on uh, you know, they get a Purdue in a spot, they beat them by 40. Like that they beat Michigan State really. They played a Michigan team that can't score points. Like that's these are those wins for these types of programs.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:07

And Ohio State is built like an SEC team, but they're playing against Big Ten athletes week in and week out. I'm listening. Give me one second. You good like so because they play these big ten big ten teams week in and week out, you don't have the same type of athletes to compare. Uh so it looks different, even though these are quality teams, but when you actually play against the big dogs, it doesn't always look the same. So I I'm hesitant on on a lot of the Big Ten stuff because yes, it's high-level college football, the really good players, pro players, but at some of the key positions, you don't always see the same level of athlete and and pro prospect. And yeah, I shit on Iowa and Iowa is tight in you, and they're responsible for two the two white corners in the NFL who are actually both uh good players. Um my man's in Philly and my man's in uh in Denver. Uh Cooper Dejean, and I can't think of the other guy's name right now, and I'm not gonna look it up. Uh, but that's something. Uh while we're waiting on Parlay Pete to come back, I want to have a quick conversation though about um coaching. You know, we've seen all these coaches get fired. Uh Hugh Freeze being uh one of the newest ones fired. And uh college football has to get something figured out. We've got to get something figured out. We've got to regulate the schedule for one. Because until we regulate the schedule, we we we we got player movement, we got coach movement all throughout the season, and and that's not good for anybody. Uh, we've got to get these buyouts under control. I understand that Jimmy's the Jimmy sexons of the world, uh, they they want their cash and they're gonna do what they can to get their cash. But the schools themselves, the conferences, somebody has got to step in to protect themselves from this money. Uh, because you hear the the the Louisiana governor come out talking, pretty much saying, hey, we're not gonna keep giving out these contracts because my taxpayers have to pay them. And that's unfair to the taxpayers that we got to pay this big bill that the school agreed to for this guy to come in and and now he's not doing what we expect him to do, so we kick him out. So I'm not gonna say let's lower the the annual the annual uh salary for these coaches, but can we shorten up the deals, especially for guys on their first contract at the school? You know, especially a guy who doesn't have ties to a school. Now I understand Kirby's smart, and it's not because I'm a Georgia fan. You give Kirby the long-term deal because he gets to Georgia, he starts winning, he gets to a natty, something Mark Rick didn't get us to. We lose, we end up finally getting back, we win two in a row, and we're in the playoffs every year. Yeah, bro. Like, get Kirby a long-term deal. He's the best coach in college football, and and he's a bulldog, he's not going anywhere. Dabo, whatever his deal is, I understand giving Dabo that long-term deal. Why? Dabo's one, two daddy's a Clemson. He's a Clemson guy. You don't expect Dabo to go anywhere, and then when Dabo leaves, you're you're gonna do that. You're gonna you're gonna mark, you're gonna mutually part ways. So it all works out. Like everybody's good, you know what I'm saying? Like, Dabo's not leaving Clemson uh uh on Clemson's terms more time tonight. He's gonna leave on Dabo's terms because of what he did. But when you're talking about giving Brian Kelly like a nine-tenure deal when he shows up, you're talking about giving uh uh uh uh what's my man's name? Uh Jimbo, that big extension when he hadn't done shit. Like, I understand James Franklin. He spent 12 years. He spent 12 years up there at Penn State. So wherever he was at in his contract, I understand him having a long-term deal because he was committed to Penn State and he was producing at Penn State, although not winning national championships, even though Joe Paul only got one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:16

So uh we can't be mad at Jimbo, though. Jimbo, for what it's worth, which it doesn't happen that often, Texas AM was able to take a coach that had won a national championship. Those don't typically, you know what I mean? Like uh Urban Meyer was another one, but he technically was retired, so he didn't get poached from the school. Like, Jimbo didn't get fired from Florida State, they just like started. I'm sure Jimmy Sexton um started negotiating. And he's like, because Jeff, if you remember, Jimbo used to complain about Florida State's um like their athletic, like just the shit, like everything like the facilities were shitty, is what he said. AM got a boatload of money. Um NIL was kind of starting to come into play a little bit, or I know at least towards the tail end of it. Because then that's why people started. If you remember, Jimbo and uh Nick got into it, because Nick's like, yeah, because they're fucking paying for players at Texas AM, is what he said. Um, but I'm just saying, I don't want to throw Jimbo in there because they didn't really have much of a choice but to give Jimbo like what he wanted. No, but I think Jimbo, I want to say Jimbo Jimbo's gonna get, you know, Jimbo's gonna get a job this cycle too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:29

Yeah, but here's the thing. Uh I want to say that so he signed, he signed a 10-year$75 million deal in 2018. Then he got he got extended to a 10-year 95 million. My point about Jimbo is at Texas AM, not at Florida State, at Texas AM, I'm not giving Jimbo Fisher 10 years. Jimbo Fisher has done nothing to say that he deserves 10 years at Texas AM. I understand he won the natty at Florida, and we want to get Jimbo to come turn our program around. Got it. I'm not giving him 10 years, though. Like five. Seven million.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:13

Five, and then we'll extend you after year three. Exactly. Or year two or one if you really, if you curtsy netty this thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:20

Exactly. But I'm not giving you 10 off the rip, and then when we go for a negoti, when we uh when we renegotiate your contract and give you an extension, I'm not giving you another 10 year. That's my only point. I don't think all of these coaches who are going to new places who haven't established something there should get contracts that long, especially at the public institutions where the taxpayers are responsible for funding the fucking school.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:48

Yeah. I mean, that's fair. I I can agree with you there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:52

Um Kirby, his tenure makes sense. He's a bulldog. Kirby don't want to leave Georgia.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:58

And Georgia doesn't want Kirby to leave them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:01

Right. Like Kirby should should what's my man's name? Vince Dooley?

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:06

Hey, they are happily married, nigga. Like, like, like, like he doesn't even have other women's phone numbers, you know? Hey, don't go that far. That's not he's not he's not friends with them on Instagram. He's that happily married.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:22

No, he's so happily married that he can be friends with them on Instagram, and there's not even a thought of objectifying them when they post the bullshit that looks good on on the on the timeline. Just like, yeah, what is she doing, man? Get to hey yo, why am I in your close friends? You know, I'm married, you know I don't even like this shit, bro. Like, yeah. Like, girl, stop. Yeah. But Hugh Freeze fired. You know, I think Auburn is suffering from some somewhat of what LSU is suffering from, and and honestly, what Florida is suffering from.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:04

You know, sometimes good is good enough. Hey, just be good for a while. Eventually you can become if you're good, good can become great, but if you're just not happy with good and you're resetting and you're constantly resetting, like that doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:21

Work for a lot of those people though, it's we gotta be better than Big Brother, right? And Big Brother, all they do is compete for national championships. I gotta be better than Big Brother. When were you better than Big Brother? They won a duel or here and there, but the thing is, is that that's how those people are gonna look at it. I mean, you look, you listen to the Paul Feinbaum show, those people care. I'm talking about the people, the decision makers. Yeah, well, they shouldn't care, but the fan base, everybody's gonna kind of put that pressure on them to no, we've got to do this, we have to do this. It doesn't mean that they have to listen, but then again, you probably should listen to your fan base too, in reality. I mean, the Falcons don't listen to us and look where that's got them, right? Yeah, that's pros versus college, but still, it's the same, you know, and at this point, it's the same thing. And so um Auburn is just it's it's they're in a tough spot at the end of the day. They're not the best team in their own state, so they can't get their the best players from their own state. They're not the best team in any rivalry that they have. They're you know, they're the little brother of against Georgia too. Shit, Georgia fucking owns Auburn.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:37

Um we do now. They they had a run where it's like we don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:44

Like Nick Marshall completing a pass. Like, you know, it's like dumb shit, though.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:48

Well, we should have left let Nick Marshall stay on the roster, you know. He who cares if he could have been a hell of a corner, huh? Well, he wanted to be a quarterback. Let the man go try to play quarterback.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:58

Yeah, yeah, got him to a natty. But uh I mean, you know, Zach Man. Actually, let's give Gus Malzon a lot of credit here, too. Um it's not looking too good for him. He's he's gonna be one and done at Florida State, as though, see.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:11

Uh well, that look here, man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:14

Uh Norvell, man. Well, Wach Wach Wine. Um, you know that that's what's gonna happen, too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:22

And I think Wach Wine will actually work there, but parlay Pete, you remember when I used to tell you, and maybe you don't remember, but I'm like, hey, Georgia fans need to relax, and this was before we won our back-to-backs. I'm like, hey, Georgia is Michigan, is Texas, okay? Flagship school in the state provides a great education, like these are like real colleges, not just football schools like Alabama and Auburn.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20:54

Yeah. Um you mean where the acceptance rate is at 78%.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:59

Like you know what I mean, like uh smart niggas get turned down from Georgia. Yeah, but like you you're a you're a 10, you're a non-10 win program that when things go right, you got the right coach, everything, you become a national championship type program. But you're not Alabama, you're not an Ohio State, hell, you're not even a USC if we're being honest. Like, I'm just talking about historically championship standard. And I think that these fans who may have won championships or may have come close to one winning championships, even LSU, right? LSU has won championships in our life, but LSU has not been historically is not that. Yeah, they're not like back to back, they're not going on crazy runs. None of none of the coaches who have natties at LSU won multiple ndies. Yeah, they were competitive every year. But like, stop holding yourself to this saving at Alabama standard because what he did was historic. That's like that's not the measuring stick, my nigga. Yeah, like like if you're an NBA player and you go out and you working out against KD and you get your ass bust by KD, that doesn't mean you're not an NBA player. That doesn't mean you're not a good NBA player. That means, hey, this person is like different. Yeah. Like different, my nigga. Like, he's not, he ain't like the rest of us.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:24

So he's a generational figure. Exactly. So literally, there's only one that can come. There is no, there aren't two. Herbs close. Close.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:35

And that's when again, when Florida had when Florida made their runs, they had legendary coaches. They had Spurrier, who got one, and you had Urban, who got two. You know what I mean? Like you've gotta understand that you want to catch lightning, and you want to be really good and then catch lightning in a bottle in a couple years. Because even Saban, he won six, which is a lot.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:59

But damn near 20 years, he won six. He wasn't winning it every fucking year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:06

And and and he he didn't get to the natty every fucking year. He didn't win the SEC every year. LSU had their chances, Georgia had their chances. Uh, who else? Florida had their run. You know what I mean? Like other teams had opportunities to win. So, y'all be patient. I'm not saying stick with Mark Rick for 15 years, but god damn it, don't fire your coach after four because hey man, we're not competing for a natty. You know, we're finishing fourth in the SEC in the top three teams are making the playoffs. All right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:40

I think Hugh Freeze had been given enough time, though, to show progress. And I think that that's where the difference comes in, right? Where's the progress? Auburn hasn't really made any progress. Like, they they're six and six, and that is not the standard there. The standard would be eight or nine wins. Yeah, he hadn't done it, and this was year three or four. I don't even remember, but like he is showing progress. But then again, a guy like Hugh Freeze, I wonder what his buyout was because Hugh Freeze, it wasn't like he had really proven anything. He he revitalized himself at Liberty, made them uh a football program that betters love to bet on. Because they were playing against really slack competition and he put Malik Willis uh in the NFL. You know what I mean? Like that's that's his legacy there. At Ole Mess, he was a cheater. They beat Alabama, but they were never serious while he was there either.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:35

Miles 15 uh point eight.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:39

Uh woof. So what he probably had two basically two more years, year and a half.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:45

Yeah, he was getting he was getting six point, he was getting six five-ish a year, so yeah, two and a half.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24:52

That's not bad for a guy like you, but um 15 million is not terrible. We're saying that like niggas who have just yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, like it's hey, like it's a fifteen thousand dollar buying bonus to work somewhere or something. Yeah, you're not gonna like I mean, but when you're talking about Franklin and Kelly getting 50 large, it's like hey man, yeah, and well, and but that goes to show that the there's levels to it too when it comes to which is why Kirby's is a hundred million, right? Like there's levels to it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:21

Well, Kirby's is set up because look, well, because he's never gonna be gone.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:25

That bile doesn't matter, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:28

Uh you wanna get to some hoops? Let's get to some basketball. I I guess you want to talk about. I mean, do we open up with Ja?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:39

Uh, you mean Za? Za Morant? Yeah, we gotta start off with Za.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:44

All right, man. So let's take it to Friday Lakers game. Uh Ja appears to be disengaged in the huddle. It becomes a thing that people uh focus on. Shout out to Gilbert Arenas uh for pointing out that uh in that same huddle, KCP was talking to some woman and like scratching his ass and not paying attention either. And the point that Gilbert made was bro, he wasn't in the game, so the play that the coach is drawing up, it really don't matter to him. Like, I get from the team point of view, he should be locked in, but like nigga, no, I'm not. I I don't care. Hey, I didn't want you to zoom out, camera.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:26

Um, so then he has a uh hat closet there, too, by the way. I didn't say it earlier in pre-production, but hey, you know what?

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:34

I figured the hat closet on the outside of the door looks better than the fucking door. Yeah, that brown door is ugly, but anyways, so then uh after the game, Ja's asked a series of questions, and pretty much he just says, ask coach staff, ask the coaching staff. And he was like, based on what they said, we're better off if I ain't playing. So what it tells me is they got into it at halftime, and and Ja let that nigga know how he felt. And the coach probably said our plus minus is X, Y, and Z. And that's when you're off the court versus when you're on the court, and that's why we run these rotations.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:09

I was like, Yeah, nigga, fuck all that shit. Like, I'm fi. And he was like, hey, if y'all better without me, then all right, nigga, prove it. And uh so then Ja ends up getting suspended for con conduct detrimental to the team. More than likely, he and Coach got into it after the game and were yelling. They said that uh pretty much that uh the coach called him out for his lack of leadership and effort, and Ja responded in a way that uh wasn't great. Uh, he plays in the game on Monday. He gets to interview after the game, and he says that he's lost his joy playing basketball. So, for one, Ja's gone. I want to talk about potential trades for Ja, but also I want to have a conversation about this with the coach because the play players are defending Ja, even calling him out and holding him accountable, but defending him overall. The media support in the coach, typical, and I think regular people should have a conversation because I think it can be a bit more nuanced for us because we can see both sides of it while understanding that coaches are authority figures that deserve respect. But uh coaches who have won in the Euro League coming to the NBA, trying to tell NBA players we're gonna do things a little bit differently, uh, especially stars, that doesn't go over well. Shout out to uh David Black. So I just want to put that out there to frame the conversation. Uh, but what are your thoughts on the job piece?

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:35

I mean, at the end of the day, and see, I didn't see what you saw on uh Gil's arena. Um, I think it's funny you saying KCP was talking to some broad and scratching his ass.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:46

Gil's not mine, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:48

Yeah, but that's just an interesting thing. It's just like look at almost like they were breaking it down and slowly. It's like, all right, now look at him. Like, but no, seriously. Um yeah, I mean, this is just a product of it's over with, uh, relationship-wise. I think that it's over with. I think that um his time there is gonna come to an end and that it should be over. Honestly, in a weird way, it hasn't worked. They were always a little bit of that in my mind. It's worked, it's worked. Don't say it hasn't worked. It it's it's worked for what Memphis is used to, but it hasn't worked overall in terms of what the ultimate goal should be, which kind of gets back to even what our football conversation was about. That's good for Memphis, just like in Atlanta. If we're a two or a three seed, everybody's thrilled, right? But that doesn't work in LA. You know what I mean? It doesn't work with the ball.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:41

But it's Memphis, and Memphis has a star that gets them on national TV. Niggas wasn't watching grit and grind, only basketball players like that shit. Niggas watch the jaw. Kids is buying the jaw morant shoe. When I look at basketball, I see that ja three every time I'm watching TV.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:01

Right. And so I guess my thing, my my thought on this, at least overall, is that John is in a position where the rubber's meeting the road. It's one of these points in his career where he's got he's already had all this shit that's happened. Now you're adding this on. It's a new coaching regime. You know, there's not, I'm not gonna say there's rumors of the team relocating, which I think we support that on the show, and we've talked about it before.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:31

Send him to Nashville. I don't want him to, I don't want him to go to the other Seattle, huh?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:36

You don't want him to be the supersonic.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:38

No, I will I uh like come on, man. Let's let's make some people pony up some billions to give it to the other owners. The owners want expansion, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:49

But then from the coach's perspective, I also understand it, right? Like if they get into it and it's uh hey, smile, he's got to set the tone and have the culture that he wants to bring to the team, and his hope is that his best player is gonna buy in, right? So he has to be okay with that. He can't be, you know, like a coach Fizz or a Coach Ra.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:09

These are all guys that are in with the players to Moody, like to the point where you know stay here with me because I want you to keep going, but just to rebut that quickly, with Ja acting this way, and Chris Vernon reported it on the low on Thak Lowe's podcast, and from what we've seen and what we've heard, Ja has never been an internal problem. We've heard nothing about Ja being a problem with as the player, yeah, just everything outside of work. Exactly, and and whatever. You know what I mean? But like we've not heard basketball issues with Ja. You fire his his his coach, who he loved, nine games before the season was over. You bring in these assistants that Taylor Jenkins didn't hire to bring in a new offense that Ja didn't like, and then this assistant that you brought in from Europe, he's an assistant for a year, and you know you brought him in to be the head coach. So during his time as an assistant, pretty much knowing he's gonna get the job, shouldn't he have been building that relationship with Ja? Then when he gets the job, playoffs, building that relationship with Ja off-season, because Ja's committed to Memphis. He got it on his back, he got the mansion in Memphis, he's gotten in trouble in Memphis in the offseason, so we know Ja be in Memphis. Wouldn't you spend the off-season building that relationship, getting Ja bought in, listening to his ideas, and creating a vision that works for the team so that Ja is bought in day one of training camp?

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:47

Like that's yeah, that's my only not when you when you get say say about getting bought in, new coach, setting a culture. Part of setting a culture is behind the scenes away from everybody else, creating letting your your star player know what the fuck you're gonna do. And like, yeah, I'm gonna ride you hard in front of everybody. But I'm also like, hey, me and you, we here.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:14

So I didn't like it to be more collaborative in a in a in a sense, in reality, because it's like, well, I'm the coach, but you're the coach, you're the leader on the floor, you're the point guard, too. Like, you're literally the coach on the floor, anyways.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:26

And so when he plays 27 minutes a game, it's hard to be the coach on the floor.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:32

Well, and that gets into the Euro style of basketball, because that's really that is how you run that shit over there. It's just like um then you start looking at the front office, though, because that's where there's there's another aspect to this. That's the extra layer to it, because they would know what type of coach he is, and they certainly know what type of player slash person Ja is, so they would know whether or not something like this will work. You're setting yourself up for failure, is what you're doing. And and in his case, I think that it just is time for them to move on. Like in terms of they can keep him if they want and continue to sell jerseys, I guess. But I just think that it's time that they do move on from each other. Uh, plus the NBA, we need another good shakeup, you know. I'd love to see it personally. Uh, and I think Ja would be perfect, and I mean perfect with Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:26

But real quick, let me give my thoughts on it, and then we'll get back, we'll get to destinations, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:33

Traded to Atlanta, too. Come on now.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:36

Hey, uh, the NBA is doing a lot of things that um I don't think a lot of people are paying attention to. We're hiring more Euro coaches. We are the the the Square NBA media is are supporting the international players and the European style of basketball. We talked about scores not being enough last week. We're pushing dynamic scores out of the league based on the way that we're playing the playing basketball because we're doing this five out shit. And if you're a dynamic score, you don't get other people involved because we're playing this dumb basketball where we don't run plays. Because if we run play, like if we actually run plays, the dynamic score like Cam Thomas, he gets the ball when he can get it to score, but also when you're running a play, this nigga's not getting the ball all the time, so you can stop him from being a ball hog while running a coherent offense that involves everybody. Yeah. So we're getting to this European stuff, and the the teams are starting to look a bit more European, right? Both in the way the players look, but also in their styles of play. And we gotta remember the NBA became a league that people cared about because of the stars. It wasn't about the teams, it wasn't about the it wasn't about the team styles and the motion offense. No, we like stars in the NBA. And I understand it's important to build teams, but the problem with the way teams are being built is you got coaches like this guy in Memphis, you got front offices like Memphis' front office is appearing to be right now. And I'm not saying you collow your fucking star player, but god damn it, you build an environment for your star player to thrive, and then you put players around that player so that your team can thrive.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:35

And when you got a star player, a guy who's made an all-NBA, who wins 60% of his games, like when John Morant's on the court, they fucking win. And he's an unself, he's an unselfish player, he's not a ball stopper, he gets people involved, he'll play off ball, he'll let Triple J get 30. He used to let Bang get 30. He used to let Dylan Brooks shoot the fucking ball, okay? Like he's not selfish. Niggas fuck with him, he's charismatic. You build around that. Like, owner, as a business, you build around that because that fucking sells and gets you on goddamn TV. Coach, as a coach, you build around that because your players rock with him and you want everybody bought into what y'all are doing and what you were doing. But we're trying to do this European stuff to where the team is the most important thing, and we're trying to maximize the team. Hey, dog, niggas ain't watching the NBA. It's a bad TV product. It's a terrible fuck. Everybody plays the same stupid five hours. And we talked about this last night. Bro, we like the fact that growing up, you watch the big East, it's a style of basketball. ACC style of basketball. Niggas ain't really watched the SEC besides Kentucky and Tennessee growing up, you know what I mean, to one and done. But it was a style of basketball in the SEC. You know what I mean? Yeah, in Florida. You got the Pac-12. I didn't even care about the Pac-10, Pac-12, because they just got niggas out there hooping, playing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:58

You UCLA Aaron Afallow and stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:01

But they were the only, they were pretty much the only school. I mean like Denver too. But Denver used to be a decent basketball program.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:09

Arizona too, but you know, Arizona had them five niggas coming through. Arizona State have a random nigga that's good as hell. USC have a nigga like OJ Mayo, Swaggy P. You know what I'm saying? Like, like they're not a basketball power, but they got pros coming through. Correct. But now everybody's like all these guys come into the NBA and different teams play differently based on who's coaching, who's on the roster. Now they're trying to like make this shit like generic. And you know what? People don't like generic products. There's a reason why you charge more for goddamn polo, Ralph Lauren, than U.S. Polo Association. The brand matters. And when you create a brand that's distinct, people are attracted to it. So the NBA is no longer creating distinct brands, right? We're not even we're not even getting behind the players that our people can relate to. Yeah, we want all this international stuff, but hey, the NBA is made up of black people. And black people want to watch black people play basketball the way that they play. That's what Major League Entertaining. Your American white people, they didn't want the thugs, right? They didn't want the thugs, but they want to watch these guys play basketball in a way that they couldn't fathom playing basketball. But it seems like we're trying to cater to the guys who say, I like to see teams share the ball, pass it around, do all of that. Well, the stars need to share it and pass it around until you went to the stupid European shit where we play five out, dog. Like that's not good, like threes. Like everything is about fucking stats. And not like the stats on the box score, not the Josh score stats. Like the shit you learn in the statistics class, it don't make sense to the untrained eye. Right? They're complicating simple shit. Yeah, like, hey, you're not the you're not as good if you if you only play if you play more than 30 minutes. Hey, this nigga Todd, I'm busting his ass. I've been busting his ass all game, dog. Let me kill him. Because once I start killing him, they're sending the doubles and the triples, and I'm uh odd. Like what we saw with Shay last night. Yeah. Like Shay was getting so much attention. Nigga had 12 assists. He had 30 and 12 in fucking three quarters. Yeah. And it was both in the 30 and the 12 were both effortless. He was just stupid. Why? Because he was allowed to boogie and and and and dictate the game. But this this uh let's just uh uh insert spare parts in here, nigga. No, that's what you do with like a middle school team when you're not talented, when you have high-end talented players, you let them niggas be talented. Sorry, man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:46

No, I'm I'm with you 100% here. It's it's it's concerning, and the NBA is gonna continue to lose fans the more and more that we get this, and that that's why you can expand if you want, you know, but at the same time, this is not a good product. Now, granted, Adam Silver's already gotten the deals done, right? So TV they can't pull out. Um, but it's a bad product, and they're just gonna lose more and more fans. And you know, nobody wants to pay four and five hundred dollars a game to go see somebody run down and shoot a three on one pass, and then basically the same thing happens on the other end, and that's gonna be pretty much the game. It's gonna be well, who makes the for uh the threes first? And then you occasionally, oh wow, we got a nice dunk by Anthony Edwards or something. Like, but that's that's what the NBA has turned into.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:38

Hey dog, if we go into a Hawks Grizzlies game, right? Do we want to only see 27, 28 minutes a job? Or we want to see that nigga out there for 36, 38, nigga, 40.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:48

He should be getting at minimum on average nine minutes a quarter. You know what I mean? He should be playing playing three whole quarters of basketball.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:01

Like, you know how much, and granted, playoffs a little bit different, but you remember when LeBron was like playing 47 a game? Yeah, niggas love that shit. You want to see star players out there thugging it, gutting it. Yeah, hey, where would you like to see Ja? Because we got about 17 minutes left. There's not much left that we gotta hit, but uh, where would you like to see Ja?

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:23

So again, I like the idea of Minnesota. I think that that would be really, really interesting. But obviously, could be a clash considering it's Anthony Edwards' team, and like just the way that works. But I think that's where I would like to see him. I mean, Houston would be pretty nice too, but um I need to play him. That's a real perfect fit, though. Nigga, bring him here. Play him with uh bring him here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course, here would be great too, especially if we're gonna get off trade anyways. Bring him here. Uh the star that you would want, maybe to pair him with, and I know maybe it wouldn't work style-wise potentially, but ja with like Giannis.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:06

I mean I don't I don't want another star with Giannis because Giannis is a black hole, yeah, and it's the right thing to do. But nigga, Dame kept his numbers and it didn't look good.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:30

Right. Well, they tell it little, right? He's yeah, he had a 27, 28, he was a 24, 25.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:39

I yeah, but like he pretty much kept his numbers, and I'm gonna take it. I know, but like they didn't play well together. Giannis doesn't play well with others, and that's okay. You you you you need a team like they had when they won a championship. You need Drew Holiday, Chris Middleton, Bobby Portis, yeah, Lopez. You need those types of players. Um Bob Portis is gonna have to choke them with another thing that the NBA uh is fucking up with is hey, that Peacock, uh your program will be back shortly. Yeah, and it takes like five minutes for the post-game show to come on, and all they do is a preview, and then you go back to that fucking screen, and it's really like 10 minutes. It felt like 10 minutes of dead time before the the postgame show came on on peacock. Hey, that makes a nigga closed out.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:33

Yeah, and I know that that was something that you were certainly concerned with.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:38

Um well, think about it, dog. Had we not we were sitting there waiting because we knew it was about time for for us to go to sleep, so you're not gonna turn something new on and commit to it, right? But nigga, if we were on the west coast, we're we're not even watching a post-game show because we're probably watching fucking uh uh Ryan Rosillo, Colin Calherd, Bill Simmons, Bill Simmons, Rich Eisen, Danny O. We're watching some clips on YouTube now. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like anybody, yeah, because you're not even giving us anything, and then you got Carmelo Anthony on with his dope dill of sunglasses, no tie. We still can't get a blazer. Like, hey Melo, can you take can you take some accountability? You're blaming everything on everybody. Hey, my nigga, you can put on a suit, dog. Take your shades off for the network show. See, I'm on a podcast, I can wear shades. All right, I'm sitting on a couch, nigga.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:40

You know, well, but look, that's what Phil and George were talking about. You know, it's it's it's that type of stuff. He doesn't buy into the team, you know. Pardon our behavior, huh? Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. But yeah, no, it's odd because you just would think that Peacock would want to get some more money, too. Even if it was, you know how they have like like on Hulu sometimes there's like the preset commercial, they're not even like commercial commercials, but they're like 30-second, 45-second commercial, but they're like just like spots, right? That they that they put on there. They're not even commercial commercials, but it's like a commercial.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:14

It's activity on the TV. Yeah. Not a fucking screensaver, nigga. Yeah. With with hip hop elevator music. Hey, you were telling me about uh Ken Kenny Smith.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:28

Yeah, Kim Smith. Uh is he about the same sorting because he's the ESPN nigga now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kim Smith signs a multi-year deal with uh ESBN. He will now be a member of the famed Car Wash. Um, let's see. Let me pull up all the details. He will be appearing on First Take. He will be uh calling games and also gonna be on NBA Countdown.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:03

Can can I just raise my hand and throw something in here? Because I know we got 13 minutes left. Go for it. Sources tell notice that Marjorie Taylor Green wants to run for president in 2028. Put a pin in that and let's finish Ken Smith because I think this is some Georgia shit that we could probably close out on.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:19

Okay. Um yeah, so Ken obviously, probably the right guy out of all the new people that they're bringing in uh to do this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:31

I think it's not a bad move, but obviously Chuck and Shaq were like, uh, um because they're not good analysts, they're not they're not good car wash analysts, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:41

And and Kenny will be able to do it, and I think, especially on a show like First Take, where you get Kenny Smith to go head to head with uh Stephen A. Because Stephen A is gonna have his opinions on basketball, but Kenny Smith's gonna be able to kind of check him on just about anything. Kenny Smith, people don't realize this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:59

Kenny Smith was getting interviewed for GM jobs while he was working at turn and head coaching jobs, and yeah, so but you also know Steve, uh you know Kenny Smith was involved with Stephen A getting shit right with Kyrie because New York nigga, they got some similar ties, yeah. And honestly, Stephen A is gonna talk differently to Kenny because you know when Stephen A get around athletes that he like actually respects.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:28

Well, anytime he gets in a real athlete's face, besides like the RCs and and and like the niggas he grew up, he's like he's like, Yeah, I remember when Kenny Smith came out of New York and went to North Carolina, like and and like a similar path as me. I was in New York, and then I also went to North Carolina, just the AT. Okay, okay, okay. Let's let's uh what's the state of state? Trip. Well, either way, he went to North Carolina nigga. That's my point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:53

Hey, and just throwing it out there, hey, we are Morehouse niggas, and I want people to be very clear we love and support people going to HBCUs, but inside of our own community, we shit on most of your HBCUs. So, like them North Carolina HBC, them public HBCUs, uh all them shits run together, if we're being honest.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:10

Yeah, none of them if you're not if honestly, and it's no shots at anyone else. I love Savannah State, I love people that went there, all that's us up, but realistically, if you're not familiar, Howard, Hampton, Morehouse Spelman, Morehouse Spellman, we give I'm I respect Clark. Um Tuskegee, Tuskegee, that's really it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:33

I mean with you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:35

I I don't well, I don't want to shit on like Fisk or anything. Niggas don't go to Fisk. I know TSU people talk about TSU too, but like I shit on TSU.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:43

One of my best friends went to TSU, and I shit on. He also liked to make like these kind of jokes about Morehouse, and I'm like, hey, hey, hey, relax.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:55

Well, it's a part of the culture there. We weren't a part of that culture, but that is a part of the school. Yeah, I mean, it exists, but like, yeah, but they're all separate entities, you know, they do their own thing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:04

We got 10 minutes. Uh, but I think Ken Smith is gonna be a great addition to ESPN. He's gonna provide actually good analysis. Uh, I think uh if we can get him and Dick Jeff like talking basketball on TV, I think that's gonna be really good because Richard Jefferson's a good analyst, and honestly, put him with well, imagine with legs. I mean, legs is great. No, I'm just talking about on on the on the network show. Now, when it comes to being yeah, when it comes to being in the booth and stuff, ESPN. Hey, hey, all you niggas, get away from these three-man booths. That shit is raggedy. Yeah, it's not enough airtime. We need a play-by-play guy and a color guy. But they got brain and legs. I I like Breen, I like legs, I like Dick Jeff, uh, I like Kenny being there. Uh, I see what ESPN is doing, and what it really looks like they're doing is they're either getting ready for a Stephen A presidential push or they're getting ready for Stephen A after this five-year contract to be put in a position where uh he he's gonna have to move around or take less because ESPN is getting back to what sounds like ESPN is getting back to what they used to be, is a team with great starters and a deep bullpen.

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:21

Yeah, and uh with speaking of bullpen, who knows? You might get maybe we get Joe Buck to call some ESPN baseball.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:32

Or maybe they'll just come hire us. You know, we'll move to Bristol and work for y'all.

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:36

Yeah, yeah. Just give me a call. Uh also, shout out just because I know we're we are running low on time, and we didn't really touch the World Series, but obviously, World Series Dodgers win. Uh as a Braves fan, we didn't, I didn't want that outcome. But, you know, it's kind of cool to see a team that is somewhat of a dynasty, a little bit uh possibly getting born here right before our eyes. Uh Mookie Betts getting his fourth ring. He's got he's the most among active players. Freddie getting his third. Um I didn't like what you did there at the end, Freddie. When you catch the uh out, you did the same thing you did in our World Series. I get it, your first base, and you already knew and you were gonna do it. The putting up the hand because it's kind of iconic for us. It's like, yes, like we finally got over that hump. But um, 50 million viewers uh for the World Series, which doubled the NBA finals uh on an international stage.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:30

Well, we don't know that the NBA's international viewership rates.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:34

Well, they still doubled it, point being.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:37

Uh shout out to Freddie Freeman for killing the worm. But when you got up and did the little twerk at the end, come on, bro. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:47

But um, let's do the picks first so we get that out the way, and then maybe we can talk about uh this Marjorie Taylor Green stuff because uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:58

Okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:52:59

I already got uh everything saved here, so alrighty, ladies and gentlemen. It is time for Paula P's College Football Six.

unknown: 1:53:18

Six, six, six.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:19

You put a lot of pepper on that one. All right, so without further ado, let's get kicked off with some Big 12 football. We got Iowa State at TCU. Uh I like Iowa State plus seven and a half. Kind of an odd spread here. TCU's not really that good. That's a large number. Let's go Iowa State seven and a half. Next, we got UNLV at Colorado State. Uh Dan Mullen coming off of a loss and potentially trying to get some interviews for one of these head coaching vacancies because he will get interviewed against the Colorado State team that fired their coach. Give me UNLV on the money line. Uh, next, we got Northwestern at USC. That game's actually gonna be on a Friday. I love USC, minus 13 and a half at home. They should smoke uh Northwestern. Next, we got Georgia at Mississippi State. Interesting. I didn't, this was a weird line to me. Uh, we're gonna take Georgia minus nine. I don't know why they wouldn't win by double digits. I know that Mississippi State took it down with Texas, whatever. Give me Georgia uh minus nine. Next, we got Indiana at Penn State, another really confusing one. Don't even have to buy the point here or do anything with this one. Indiana minus 14 and a half. They've been whooping everybody's ass, and I don't see any stop to it. Then finally, we got LSU at Alabama. Sucks that this game is not going to be nearly as good as we were hoping. Uh, but I believe that Alabama's gonna thump LSU because LSU at this point knows that the season's over. I mean, guys are already dropping out and stuff too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:38

So Bam on the money line or Bama?

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:41

Uh no, minus nine and a half.

unknown: 1:54:44

All right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:45

All right, so we got uh Iowa State plus seven and a half, UNL V on the money line, USC minus 13 and a half, UGA minus nine, ND minus 14 and a half, Bama minus nine and a half. We like the favorites this week, baby. And now it's time for Paul Ape.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:04

NFL six.

unknown: 1:55:08

Six, six, six, six, six.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:10

All right. Uh juicy slate in the NFL this week, too. And the further that we get along, it always seems like it gets just so much better because now we we start to really understand who these teams are. Uh, but without further ado, we've got the Arizona Cardinals at the Seattle Seahawks. I think everybody knows exactly where I'm going here. Give me the Seahawks minus six and a half. Uh, the type of ball that they're playing right now, I don't see anyone that can stop them. And even though Jacoby Rossette definitely gives the Cardinals a better chance of winning football games, not against that football team. And especially because they played so well on the road, and now it's gonna be home. It's fine for them to finally put it together at home. We're gonna take Seattle minus six and a half. Then next, we got the Pittsburgh Steelers at the LA Chargers. That's gonna be our Sunday night game. Low over-under. They got it at 43 and a half. Let's go over 43 and a half. Uh, I expect there to be just some more points because Pittsburgh's defense isn't gonna play as well. Then next, another low over-under. Uh, Jacksonville Jaguars at the Houston Texans. Obviously, CJ Stroud is gonna be out, but 36 and a half is just a tad bit too low as far as I'm concerned. I like over 36 and a half in the Jaguars at Texans. Then next, we got the Vikings uh hosting the Baltimore Ravens. I like Minnesota plus four and a half. I I like what you know Baltimore's gonna have going. They got that win. They got kind of half by. We're gonna take Minnesota plus four and a half here. Then next, we got the Detroit Lions at the Washington Commanders. Uh, I like Detroit to get the bounce back win. Give me uh Lions minus eight. And then finally, Eagles at Packers. Monday night football. I like the Packers minus two.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:45

All right, so we got uh Seattle minus six and a half, Steelers at Chargers over 43 and a half, Jacksonville at uh the Texans over 36 and a half, the Vikings plus four and a half, the Lions minus eight, and the Packers minus two.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:01

That is correct.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:03

If you like it, then I love it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:06

And when you love it, that means it's time for Leeds three.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:10

Lee's three. All right, so this week for Leeds three, we're gonna go a little college heavy. Give me UNLV on the money line. I like Dan Mullen out here coaching for a job because goddammit, Florida shouldn't have fired his ass for Billy Napier. Give me UGA minus nine because we're the real dogs around here.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:32

Yeah, exactly. Fuck it, Cowbill.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:35

And then lastly, on the NFL slate, as I look at this, you know, I I'm conflicted on which direction I want to go in, but let's just be real. Give me Seattle minus six and a half. They beat those guys by touchdown.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:47

Yeah, they've just been playing too good a ball.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:49

Yeah. So those are the picks for the week. We've got two minutes left.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:57

Two-minute drill.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:58

Uh, any thoughts on Marjorie Taylor Green uh possibly running for president in 2028?

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:03

Uh she won't win. That's that's really my main thought. She's not gonna win. Um, I do like some of the stuff that she's starting to come around to, to be completely honest with you. But at the same time, she's not gonna win.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:16

Yeah, I think she struggles to win uh because she's she she says she has a good relationship with the president still, but she has uh taken on MAGA uh by calling out their bullshit, especially with the Epstein files and keeping the government closed and the stuff that they're the way they're not thinking about. Healthcare healthcare. So all of that stuff actually makes sense of what she's been saying. Uh if she is serious about this run for president, because she has found some people on the other side who are going, okay, she's not that crazy. Uh she's making a lot of sense. She cares about people. So, you know, if there is a woman in today's climate that could win, uh she possesses a lot of the qualities that that um could help her out as a southern uh Republican-leaning white woman, as opposed to a super liberal like uh Hillary or a woman of many different diversities like Kamala. This actually may be one of the better candidates from a candidate point of view, but at the same time, like I doubt it works. I doubt the Republican Party gets behind her.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:23

Yeah, no, they're not going to. And the thought would be that JD's probably gonna end up running. I mean, that just is kind of like the foregone conclusion.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:31

Yeah, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:33

We get advanced newsome race, huh?

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:35

Exactly. But hey, uh, New York has elected a communist. Uh I don't really think it's a communist, but that's what people say socialist communists, however you want to put it. But he's their guy. We'll see what comes from there. And uh, thanks for a great show this week, Parlay Pete. You guys have a great week now.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:51

Alrighty.