Washed and Winning: Let That B*h Burn: Falcons First and Everything in Between

The laughs stop early and the gloves come off. We get straight to why Atlanta feels broken: leadership that talks process while the product keeps slipping. We call out the performative firings, the sideline optics that change nothing, and the roster choices that undercut the plan in real time. Then we name the real leverage points—who actually sets direction, who dodges blame, and where accountability needs to land if the Falcons want a culture that travels past Thanksgiving.

We widen the lens with teams that are getting it right. The Rams, Jets, Ravens, and Packers illustrate the same truth: buttoned-up programs beat clever play sheets. You see it in how Stafford is managed, how a locker room rallies for a first win, how Harbaugh squeezes value from backups, and how Green Bay readied Jordan Love to stand tall opposite Aaron Rodgers. Across the league, discipline and identity compound; talent and tricks fade.

College football isn’t spared. We unpack LSU’s buyout drama and the dangers of political meddling, then argue for a sane coaching calendar so recruiting and transfers don’t devolve into chaos. Realignment gets put on blast for turning regional rivalries into cross-country marathons that punish families and academics. NIL isn’t the problem; leadership without a framework is.

We close with the NBA’s high-octane reality: scoring is booming, whistles are hot, and totals are wild. That’s fun—until betting variance and foul volume start to swamp the experience. We celebrate Wimby’s leap while wrestling with how guard value is getting squeezed in awards and contracts. And we don’t duck the gambling shadow. Competitiveness, money, and optics now live center court; transparency and standards need to catch up.

If you want unvarnished takes, smart context, and picks with teeth, this is your run. Subscribe, share with a friend who’s ready to sage the Benz, and drop your fix for Atlanta in the comments. Who should hold the whistle, and who should hand it over?

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open And Somber Tone
• 2:03 Falcons Coaching Crisis And Receiver Moves
• 8:20 Saging The Benz And Playoff Reality Check
• 12:45 Front Office Power: Rich McKay Allegations
• 20:30 Roster Vs Coaching: Terry, Raheem, And OC Debate
• 26:40 Kirk Cousins, Zach Robinson, And QB Control
• 32:30 Around The League: Rams, Jets, Ravens, Packers
• 41:45 Culture Over Scheme: Buttoned-Up Teams Win
• 49:10 NBA Parallels: Player Power, Fans, And Optics
• 55:10 Week Eight Recap And Chiefs-Bills Setup
• 1:04:30 College Football Chaos: Buyouts And Governance
• 1:16:40 Realignment And NIL: Losing The Plot
• 1:28:40 NBA Scoring Spike And Betting Overs
• 1:39:40 Gambling, Organized Crime, And League Optics
• 1:52:30 Campus Memories Interlude
• 1:59:40 Transition To Picks And Closing Banter

Transcript

SPEAKER_08: 0:30

Hey, Parlay P, how you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_01: 0:33

We are doing good. How are we doing, AC Lee?

SPEAKER_08: 0:35

Ah, man, not too bad. You know, just uh got off from work today. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, sitting here ready to talk to you, uh, dressed for an Atlanta nigga funeral.

SPEAKER_01: 0:52

Really, you look like you're selling kilos on Miami Beach the way you're dressed right now. See the gold change, you got the taco meat hanging out. I I wouldn't know any better.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04

Hey, man. You know the old school nigga who like to wear the Adidas jumpsuits. You know what I mean? And talk about them dirty birds.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14

I was waiting for you to pull out a boombox uh run DMC. I mean, gosh. But uh no, I do recognize the all black, and I think it's appropriate.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26

And you know, I would like banter with you like we normally do to start the show, but in days like today, I just think we need to just get to it now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37

She's inspiring me to hold on to this. I know this is something I gotta do.

SPEAKER_08: 1:44

Hey, YouTube man, don't flag us for this one. You know what I mean? We uh come who kiddy are you ready to rise up, Parlay Peak?

SPEAKER_01: 2:03

I figured you were gonna cut it off before it even got to that point because there's nothing that's rising about this team except the urgency to fire a coach.

SPEAKER_08: 2:12

I I you know there is an urgency to fire a coach, a lot of urgency to fire a coach, a few coaches, a couple of coaches, actually. Yeah, you know poor receivers coach, scapegoat, bro. Since when did firing a receivers coach change anything? Unless he like had sex with somebody on the staff's wife. Like, what are we firing a receivers coach before the midpoint in the season for?

SPEAKER_01: 2:44

What are we firing the receivers coach? What are we cutting a receiver on a week where you knew you were gonna be short your star receiver? You bring down your offensive coordinator to the to field level after week, what was that, three? Yeah, and we still haven't really seen much of a difference. He's actually he just gets to see it up close in person, like more much more personally, if anything, of how shitty his clay calling is it's just time to let this thing burn.

SPEAKER_08: 3:17

We just need to get, you know, let's get some some some Atlanta sage, right? And and just take over the bins and just everybody light their sage up at the same time and just burn that shit out, man. We've gotta get that, we've gotta get that energy out of there. We've got to sage the the organization.

SPEAKER_01: 3:45

Lee, you know, coming into this game, I was about 75% sure that we weren't a playoff team. And the reason why was once I kept looking at the NFC standings, I was like, okay, well, I know that we played two teams that are five and two, or they were five and two going into last week. And I said, okay, we lost to San Francisco. So I was like, there's a tiebreaker game. Um, and they're only gonna get healthier. But um then I started looking at it, I was like, okay, Tampa's this, they got that over us. And I was like, damn, I was like, well, Carolina's got head-to-head. Um, then I looked at the NFC North and I said, shit, I was like, Chicago's four and two. I was like, Detroit and Green Bay are bona fide playoff. Those two teams are going to playoffs. I was like, I don't see where we fit in in this. And you got the Rams, the best team in the West. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That was those were the two five and two teams. Then in Seattle, we still play them. Shit, but we play them, but the reality of the situation is they're both five and two. They look great. Um, you know, I don't think that there's a better receiving combo with running back combo than what the Rams have. Matt Safford has turned back the hand of time. He looks like he did his first year in Los Angeles. Oh, and then they've just got a better coach than ours. I mean, we're not gonna get into the coaching aspect of all this.

SPEAKER_08: 5:12

But our offensive coordinator, too. Same thing.

SPEAKER_01: 5:14

Yeah, yeah. I mean, just all the hey, we get outclassed by just about every organization I'm running through. Hell, even Dallas, who lost to Denver this past week, going into last week, at least when I told you I had the 75, I was like, 75% of me is like, no, we're not a playoff team. Now I'm at 100%. I know that we're not a playoff team. We're not a playoff team. And just the idea of watching what we watched on Sunday. What you watched. Well, that you were in and out of.

SPEAKER_08: 5:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:46

Um, yeah, man, it's not a playoff team. And I guess hard in our defense. I know. I mean Julian Turner started Kirk Cousins. Because everybody the biggest Falcons hater started the backup quarterback. And that goes to show what the expectations were going into this game. Even if he felt inclined to do that. Now, was it kind of a setup like game for us to lose? Low-key it was when you look at it hindsight-wise. Not like you've got Devin A. Chain on your fantasy football team. Yes, I do. What did Christian McCaffrey do to us the week before? Oh, he went out and had like seven or eight catches and he had two over 200 plus yards total. And it's like, hmm, McDaniels is of the same can of Shanahan. He probably watched that film and was like, hey, Devin, we need you to go out there and do what Christian McCaffrey did because they clearly can't stop fucking running backs out the backfield.

SPEAKER_08: 6:47

You know what Mike did? Kyle, I know you don't listen to all of this shit, but you know what's going on down here. Send the files over. Mike, check your spam. I sent them over two days ago.

SPEAKER_01: 7:04

Hey, he said, he said, hey, and you remember um when we were all on the staff in Washington and Atlanta, you know how Ra is. Ra is just a rah-rah guy. That's that's why they call him Ra. Nobody calls him Raheem, they call him Ra because he's a rah-rah guy. And really, that R in Ra stands for hard R today. On this program, that's what the R and Ra stand. It's a hard R. He's hard R Ra. Because that's the type of bullshit that's getting put on the field. And honestly, I would have had more respect for Ra if I woke up and it was, you know, it was wet, it was nasty outside Monday morning. So I did get breakfast and I got a coffee because I just chose that as my drink. It's either that or water. I don't do that orange juice and stuff. But um, I had my coffee and I figured I was gonna wake up to the news of Zach Robinson has been fired. And I'm like, thank you, Raw. You're growing a set of balls. We got TJ Yates. TJ Yates gonna be the OC. Okay, fine. Let's give him a shot. Let's see what he can do. He's a former quarterback. I don't care if he's gonna I don't care.

SPEAKER_08: 8:12

I don't care if the new OC is good or bad. I know who's bad. I just want it to be different.

SPEAKER_01: 8:17

Like I just want to see something different, you know, and that news didn't come, and then you wait a day and you get to Tuesday, and then Rob reaffirms his belief in Zach Robinson. I said, okay, these guys take a playbook out of the McKay, the McKay files. They say what any organization would say to show that they're banded together, there's no turmoil, nobody's pissed about the result. We wish it went a different way, but we're not really pissed about it. We're gonna stick together because we believe what we're doing here from training camp all the way to game eight, it's working. We believe that this is gonna work. Trust the process, right? Trust the pistol. That's fucking bullshit, is what it is. And Rich McKay, somebody needs to the FBI. We need to get uh uh and Pablo Torre working separately. Let's go. Yeah, we need these guys to come in and we need to figure out what does he have on Arthur uh Blank? What does he have? Because does anything make sense anymore? Like what's going on? We went from a franchise that was somewhat ran well, I think at least during that the the initial phases of Matt Ryan, Mike Smith, and Thomas Dmitroff, what appeared to be a functioning organization too. We're a dysfunction organizationally.

SPEAKER_08: 9:41

Let me stop you right there. We owe Thomas Dmitroff an apology. Because we were upset that yeah, Dmitrov missed some draft picks, it happens. We were upset with T D because our team was struggling and we were in cat pill. But we were in catpill because two of the greatest Falcons, arguably the two greatest Falcons of all time, on the back end of their career, coming off of back-to-back playoff appearances, a Super Bowl appearance, and then also coming up uh Julio dropped short, which should have told us something, uh, of beating the eventual Super Bowl champions. So we had to pay him. Because that's what a good loyal team does, and that's who the Falcons were. A loyal team to loyal Falcons. And hey, we might have a down year or two because we're taking care of our guys, but we're gonna take care of our guys who've taken care of us. From a football point of view, not the smartest way to run a team, you know, but from a from a team family, even for the fans who want to yell about a Matt Ryan uh pick or that stupid sack he takes on uh second and seven, you know. But we love these guys. And T D did right by these guys, paid them at the top of the market because they came off of those types of seasons that rated uh top of the market pay. And then we get we fired TD because he put us in cap hell, but we knew he was gonna put us in cap hell based on these moves. And since TD left, this shit's falling apart. Well, remember, they fought we no longer have a patriot in the building. An important one.

unknown: 11:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 11:36

We let two leave. You know, we let two leave, and one of them is he might win his fucking division. I mean, the guys we let walk out the door. Yeah, less need. I'm not talking about less need. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know, but I'm just bringing up more people that have been in the building that are gone. I'm talking about the guys we let in the building who we didn't have to let out because we could have given them a godfather offer and we didn't. I'm talking about Jim Harbaugh, I'm talking about Mike Vrabel, I'm talking about Ben Johnson. You know, like this is what we're talking about here. It's just overall incompetence. As far as I'm concerned, Arthur Blake is Joe Biden.

SPEAKER_01: 12:25

Damn near. But and and here's the worst part. You know, I noticed you didn't bring up Bill, right? And I know that Bill is having a hard time in Chapel Hill right now. But like, I tell you what, the offensive coordinator that we know he would have brought with him, he fucking isn't. That offense looks great, and we get to face it this week.

SPEAKER_08: 12:44

Well, well, the GM, who we have praised recently on this podcast, I think we've we're to a place where we're not upset with Terry anymore for his roster construction.

SPEAKER_01: 12:56

No, we're not mad at what Terry has picked out the best possible groceries you can to cook this meal. And we know Terry didn't pick the coach. Terry doesn't have any say, is what I'm starting to think, outside of in the draft room. I don't think he has say over anything else.

SPEAKER_08: 13:14

And now the only problem with Bill, we know who Bill's bringing. He's bringing his luggage, and it ain't Louis V, it's Lombardi.

SPEAKER_01: 13:26

But at this point, will we just not be okay with that even?

SPEAKER_08: 13:32

I mean, Terry would be more impotent than he is now, and that's not a shot at Terry. That's that's the Falcons' organization. Lombardi has Bill's ear, no matter what his his role is on the team. We know this.

SPEAKER_01: 13:43

I'm okay with the with the luggage because that luggage would have pushed McKay out. McKay would have been gone.

SPEAKER_08: 13:50

And so that's probably why Bill didn't get hired. Because it is.

SPEAKER_01: 13:55

No, we know that that's why.

SPEAKER_08: 13:56

Lombardi's been eating McKay's lunch for the last two years.

SPEAKER_01: 14:00

Well, and and I think it was Lombardi that said it that he said, you know, Bill would come in and he'd ask the guy, he'd say, So what do you do? Because it's true. These are but these are questions that actually do need to be asked. Whether he's the guy for the job is, you know, beyond that's it's it's it's above my pay grade. But like what is known is that we need to we need to ask these questions, and those questions would have been needed in this organization. Hey, think about the bill thing would have been reset in three years, anyways, right?

SPEAKER_08: 14:32

The bill thing, the bill thing would have worked too because he and Jordan Hudson don't work in Atlanta. No, there's no competition up there in Chapel Hill. You get around some of these young scams, she out of there.

SPEAKER_04: 14:49

She up through there. I mean, or let uh money feed in the streets, or let one of those young rich nation guys get a hold of her, right? She be pulling up to the beards of the shysti.

SPEAKER_08: 15:13

She might have to she might have to go down to Miami for a weekend or two. What about young rich nation? Oh, what about riches nation? We're in richest nation.

SPEAKER_01: 15:28

Yeah, and he's he gets to kind of play God in this scenario, and he's like, Well, I kind of dictate how this goes.

SPEAKER_08: 15:35

He's not playing God. This is this is mad in GM mode, franchise mode, dog. And Rich is at the controls. We think these guys are doing a job, but Rich is hiring the staff, firing the staff. He's playing the games, he's setting the depth chart, he's setting the prices on the hot dogs. He's changing the the sliders, the difficulty.

SPEAKER_06: 16:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 16:06

We've got a burn we really have to burn this thing down because one of my biggest uh issues with the Falcons is we're not buttoned up. And when a team is not buttoned up, I don't care how good you are schematically. If you're n you have to be buttoned up. You could you could be look at Miami. They got a great they have a great scheming coach. They have great talent. But they're not buttoned up. So they're inconsistent. They win at the beginning of the season, they win warm weather games, and inside. They don't win after Thanksgiving much because it's cold. Right. Why? Because they're not buttoned up. It's not from a lack of talent, it's not from a lack of schematical excellence. I mean, my God, you had uh uh what's you had Vic Fangio on one side of the ball and you got Mike McDaniels on another side of the ball. As a Falcons fan, if we just woke up one day and we had that combo, that guy calling plays, those two guys calling our plays, we'd be happy.

SPEAKER_07: 17:16

Right.

SPEAKER_08: 17:17

Well, because McDaniels is the guy, and it's looking like these guys, these chips off the old blocks of the blocks of the blocks, yeah, they're not buttoned up. They don't know how to run a football team. And I was talking shit about Lombardi, but one thing I've learned from listening to Lombardi over all of these years is one thing about Bill Belichick is he coaches the coaches. So the question is, who's coaching the coaches? You get a young head coach, who's coaching him to become a head coach? When he was a coordinator, who was trying to coach this guy and holding him accountable throughout his journey? And what I allude from that is a lot of coaches are left unchecked, or they're being checked by those who aren't competent enough to properly check them. Shout out to Miss Ursay. Sorry I don't remember your first name. Your team is on top of the world, best team in the league by your record. You know, you've got uh the MVP running the ball for you, you know, and she's on the sidelines, got the headset in. She's learning how to hold her people accountable. You may not like it day to day because your boss is in your business, but when your boss is in your business, you take care of your business or you know you're out of here. We've got Arth asleep at the wheel, and Rich. I mean, he's driving. Yeah. But can he see?

SPEAKER_01: 18:44

Is he drunk? So we've got Ray Charles driving this daisy. Is that is that what we're saying?

SPEAKER_08: 18:53

Ray Charles after a good night. RIP to Ray Charles, no disrespect, but it's documented. He had his vices. This is Ray Charles after one of those good old nights after feeling on some wrist and grab and grabbing Miss Daisy because he felt that nice little wrist.

SPEAKER_07: 19:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 19:15

Just throws her in the car and drives her home. And says, you know what? We'll get there. I'm gonna fuck you. I'm gonna fuck you real good.

SPEAKER_01: 19:23

My goodness leave. Yeah, this is why this show is this show, guys, because only he can graphically give us this view with his fucking glasses on.

SPEAKER_08: 19:36

Is Rich McKay not fucking Arthur Blank in Falcon's Nation?

SPEAKER_01: 19:40

Well, he's definitely fucking Falcon's Nation. And my question is, what does he have? Because you know, we joked about the Epstein stuff, but like, what does he have? He's got something, and I don't care what anyone says. I am not a conspiracy theorist. That Nick, he's got something. He has something because there's no way that you ran through now, not including his own regime as a GM, you ran through two other regimes, you know, your third coach, second GM, and the results are the same. Everything's the same. And it's just kind of like, okay, who could be the problem here? There's gotta be one concept. You know, there's just been this running meme of Daniel Jones, right, with the Giants to the Colts, and it's this last scene from um Scary Movie, right? Where they have uh who is supposed to be Dewey from Scream, but he's Doofy in Scary Movie, and it's him, you know, walking how Doofy was walking. I don't want to say what he how he was walking, but you know exactly what that they were implying. Yes. And you know, then he turns into a stud and he hops into a car with a whip with a chicken, he flips his cigar because he's the coolest nigga in the room. And so I want to say that the almost the same exact thing is happening here. It's one of these things where as soon as you get rid of this one person, we know who the problem is, goddammit. Like, you know who the problem is, and you're just turning a blind eye to it. And it's like, why though? For what?

SPEAKER_08: 21:22

You know, Coach Ra. Ra rah guy. That's what I call Ra. Hey, he he's low-key Chauncey Bills. Oh man. He is the face of an operation. He and and you deserve blame for your involvement in this operation. But you're taking all of these arrows, and those who know know he's not the guy running the show. And no disrespect to Raheem Morris as a man. This is not anything to you. But inside this Falcon system, on your best day, you're a Pinocchio. Sometimes you get to do your job and do whatever you want, but at the end of the day, Geppetto, aka Rich McKay, has his hands on your back.

SPEAKER_01: 22:26

Lee. That is why Ra got hired in reality. Because we scratched our head at it. We were like, you know, we tried to make ourselves feel better about it. And we were like, you know what? He was kind of overdue to get a job. Right? It just wasn't our job that he was supposed to get. That was the issue.

SPEAKER_08: 22:44

But here's the problem now. You you talk about uh you talk about being for black people having fair opportunities. Now, don't say the guy who's qualified, he was qualified and due for a job is not good enough for your job. You didn't know that this wasn't gonna work until it didn't work.

SPEAKER_01: 23:03

Well, yes and no. I think that this is the real issue. If we really want to break this thing down, when I say that he was overdue for a job, it was that he put in his, for one, he was the young at the time, the youngest head coach of all time, right? At the time. He got three seasons in Tampa, had one good year. They didn't make the playoffs, unfortunately for him, so he got fired after the third. But, you know, other than that, a bunch of lackluster seasons, and he took over a Gruden roster that, you know, at the time when Gruden got fired was a 7-9, 8-8 for operation in reality. He he waited his turn, he went to Washington, he went to Atlanta, he was here. Uh, he goes to LA, he wins the Super Bowl as a DC. Granted, we're probably a top three defensive player of all time, but I digress. Does that defense still looks good, you know, even after they won the Super Bowl. Gets interviewed by the Falcons again, because he had a shot here, too, for what it's worth. Now, granted, it was dumpster fire because he was taking over his interim basis, but he coached 10 games. I mean, he coached a lot of that season. We covered this last week. I know, but it's also just it's it's baffling to me because it's just like we know exactly why he was hired. He was hired because he's a he's a do boy for a rich McKay. They're familiar with them, they know he's gonna do whatever it takes. They I wouldn't be surprised, Lee, if Rich in that interview was the second interview, was like, now Ra, we're gonna give you the job, but if I say jump, you say how high.

SPEAKER_08: 24:39

All right, figure Capiche. Hey, hey, you hey, you know, speaking of Capice, you know Lombardi calls him Kaiser Sose McKay.

SPEAKER_01: 24:51

Well, and and it's almost like in what circles is Rich McKay thought of highly?

SPEAKER_08: 24:58

Seriously, the League Office. You know, Lombardi hates the league office, bunch of politics, a bunch of people protecting their desk.

SPEAKER_01: 25:07

Well, and I feel like that's because he's been getting Lombardi gets trashed by the League Office. So do the Patriots when that that regime, even though they were winning, and he wasn't even there that long. I mean, I know he was there, but he wasn't the GM GM. I mean, Bill's the GM, right? He had his chance with the well, he was like the Browns GM for a little for like two years or something.

SPEAKER_08: 25:27

Yeah, you didn't watch that uh Pablo Torre on him, did you? I I didn't, unfortunately. Bro, bro, bro, please. Not even for content, just for the shit that we talk about, Lombardi. Yeah, so much it's so much funnier, uh, because they look to expose him as a fraud.

SPEAKER_01: 25:48

Is he not?

SPEAKER_08: 25:50

I he knows more football than I do, and despite his ability to apply it in a job, I understand football so much better because of Michael Lombardi. And a lot of stuff I talk about, you know, tying the three phases together, that's stuff I learned from him, and that's like that's super important, and the failure of most teams to do it. I he's just better at football media, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 26:17

So, but but and maybe that's where his face is, right? That's why V Cired him. Like, like that's his space. The actual doing it, it's just like uh uh what's my man's name? Uh, that's on in uh prime. Uh that was the GM for the Nets. Uh Sean uh Marks.

SPEAKER_08: 26:36

They got him on Prime.

SPEAKER_01: 26:38

We didn't think we didn't think that he was that bad, right? From what we saw on Prime, right? I didn't think he I thought it's I thought everything that the way that whole thing that the whole thing, not just him, but the whole thing is set up really well.

SPEAKER_08: 26:49

Oh yeah, Bezos, yeah, he he spent he spent money on that production. It's beautiful, right?

SPEAKER_01: 26:54

And and just hire somebody that doesn't know what they're talking about, but I wouldn't want Sean Marx running the Hawks. It doesn't change how I feel about oh, well, he knows the ins and outs, he's educated, right?

SPEAKER_08: 27:06

Well, it's and that's and and I'll tell you, that's why I get frustrated when you sometimes listen to players who think they and I sound crazy saying this, but yo, a lot of pro athletes don't know how to explain their game and view their game through a lens outside of their own.

SPEAKER_04: 27:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 27:28

So I'm not saying I know I'm not saying that people in the media know the sport better than the players because for the most part they don't, but they can tell the story much better and they can see the bigger picture, the bigger picture things, you know.

SPEAKER_07: 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 27:44

Like I listened to how basketball players will talk about how great of a player Carmelo Anthony is. He's amazing. Top 75, deserve it, bona fide score, real deal. I don't want to build I don't know. I don't want to build my team around Carmelo, though, you know. If I gotta draft him, I'm not gonna pass on him. But his style of play, it's his character, and not say that he has bad character, but we know Carmelo doesn't have the best work habits, and he's a selfish player, that's okay. But I don't want to build around that because it's harder to build around that than it is other types of players. Some people might look at Russ that way, too. I I would look at him that way.

SPEAKER_01: 28:31

I don't know why that just came to my mind. When the way you were describing it, I'm like, sounds kind of like Russell Westbrook. Yes, but it's it's it's a lot of really good scores. Yeah, guys that have led the league and scoring, like I think did Russ not lead it twice. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 28:48

I don't know. But is there anything else that we want to talk about? Because there's no analysis on the game that matters. Uh, it's just I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_01: 29:02

It's just sad, is what it is, but uh that I can think of now, because we kind of already hit everything. We can blame kind of the performance. I didn't even know if Kirk Cousins played just god-awful. I mean, he didn't turn the ball over, but like it seemed like it was a scheme issue. They showed Kirk yelling at Zach Robinson on the sidelines. I don't know if you saw that video.

SPEAKER_08: 29:23

But that you know, that's the one thing that Pennox can't can't do. And we we haven't talked about this. Kirk Cousins makes a first-time play caller and Zach Robinson a better coach, especially in the game.

SPEAKER_01: 29:39

Well, I think we did say this. Don't we believe that Kirk Cousins at this point would be a better offensive coordinator than Zach Robinson? That's why you just fire him. I would trust Kirk Cousins. It's like you're paying him all that fucking money, anyways. Just let him just do it. He knows the league. Let make him earn his play. He's listening, he knows everything about this already.

SPEAKER_08: 30:01

And it it wasn't shown last week. But dog, there is an argument. A healthy Kirk Cousins is a better option for the Falcons to compete today. There's an argument for it. Kirk Cousins done threw 4,000. Kirk Cousins done ran up a bag. And earned those bags. Again, I'm not saying Kirk Cousins is a fucking top 10 quarterback in the NFL on his best day, but he's a fucking professional quarterback. He spent a good portion of his career one of 16, closer to 10 than he was to 16. Just production. I'm not talking about clutch and all you, you know, the nuance. You know what's going to end up happening?

SPEAKER_01: 30:47

And we can kind of end it on this because we've given it 30 minutes, but like Kerry's gonna get fired if we don't make the playoffs. It doesn't matter that he's picked out good talent, they're gonna fire him. Yeah, he's Damon Jones. Yeah, he's gonna get fired. Uh and it, and honestly, somebody will point to that situation alone. If Penix doesn't look like he's progressing and getting better, and we don't make the playoffs, they're gonna say, This is the guy that paid Kirk Cousins all that money, drafted Michael Penix, and neither of them fucking worked out. Neither of them worked out. Like, and then it'll turn into a can somebody fix Michael Penix. Not that he needs fixes, but can somebody make him more consistent? Can they get the most out of him? Because he's got the we know he has the tools, he's got a strong arm. We know this. Like, we know that some bitch can throw that ball. We know it.

SPEAKER_08: 31:41

Well, that's what happened when you put a cannon in a pistol, dog. The shit don't shoot. Yeah, get that nigga out the pistol.

SPEAKER_02: 31:49

I've been in jail, ain't going back. I I oop your bitch off that bad boy. She throw it back. I slammed on in that pussy. Dang meat used to be fire. Keyword used to.

SPEAKER_08: 32:04

We also didn't know he was stupid when he was when back in. But uh real quick, hold on. Let me just get to this uh hook and then we can uh talk about the rest of the league. Yeah. Let that shit burn. Yeah, man. Uh well, we I guess we can start with uh Thursday. Well, we were on during Thursday's game, weren't we?

SPEAKER_01: 32:41

Yes, because last week I uh had a prior engagement Wednesday. We try not to make that stuff happen, but it was the only way that would work for me, so I had to pull that string. And uh A period underscore C period 2 approved.

SPEAKER_08: 32:56

So hey, did you uh did you pull any other strings? Don't answer that.

SPEAKER_01: 33:07

Anywho, uh moving along, where are we going here next? We're gonna get into week eight that you call week six in pre-production.

SPEAKER_08: 33:16

I probably thought of that in the description too, because though that's what was in the notes, and I didn't check it for uh uh you know, we just copy and paste when it's yeah, yeah. Let me uh pull up week what's that? So pull up week eight.

SPEAKER_01: 33:32

Yeah, we're gonna pull up week eight.

SPEAKER_08: 33:35

Hey, while you're pulling that up, I was listening to 520 in the morning, and I I rarely take time to ever uh talk badly about uh these types of podcasts and the members of these podcasts because I'm a huge fan of the podcast, but you know, having a good host is so important to a show, let me tell you. You know, and I this is back and forth. We we we we share the A Mic and B Mic, and you know what I mean? Like it just give and take here a pause. But um the host of the Club 520 podcast, he likes to get people moved, right? He's always like free him, free him. It's like dog, no. So they're talking about Miles Garrett's amazing five-sack game. He goes, The Browns sad, bruh. Free Miles Garrett. No, Miles Garrett just read up with them in the offseason. Okay, look, what Miles look like saying, Hey, dog, y'all trash, bro. Get me out of here.

SPEAKER_01: 34:35

He looked like an NBA player. Isn't that what they do? They sign their big contracts and then they say, All right, now I want out. Because they got as much money as they could get. Now that's a little different, of course, because in the NBA, you leave a team and you sign, you're gonna get less money, but like, or one less year normally. But that's what they do, though. They'll they will sign their money. Like, it wouldn't surprise me if Devin Booker somehow requested trade. Not this year, but next year.

SPEAKER_08: 35:03

I doubt it. I think he wants to be a lifer there. They don't have they don't have a guy that's the Suns. You know what I mean? Like Chuck had his good run there, but he wasn't drafted by them. He didn't retire with them. Like, they don't have like a guy that's relevant, you know?

SPEAKER_05: 35:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 35:20

Uh, but I'll tell you, you're right, he would look like an NBA player, and that's the difference between the NBA and the NFL right now. Yeah, people love talking about the NBA, it's global. You know, just like we talk about a lot of these Democrat policies. Oh, yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just us talking. But see, the NFL resonates with the people because a guy like Miles Garrett, if he takes that money, he's gonna pick up his lunch pill and he's gonna lose games and he's gonna kill shit. And that's what the Republican Party is doing currently in America, right? And it resonates with no, I'm serious. But it resonates, I'm serious. It resonates with people, whether you like it or not, but like it resonates. Even if it's the better message, it doesn't matter. Like it resonates. Yeah, whereas the Dems missed the boat, the NBA, a much more liberal league. A lot of people can't relate to a guy making$40 million a year and then saying, hey, we suck, I want to leave.

SPEAKER_07: 36:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 36:22

Like, dog, I wish I could make$40 an hour, and I'd stay here and be miserable. But you got the money, and you just can't deal with a little bit of adversity, even though you're killing. That doesn't resonate with people, and that's where the NBA is missing the mark. And the same thing uh with the Democrat Party. You have all of these smart ideas that seem so convenient for you, and this and that.

SPEAKER_01: 36:46

But if you mean like NBA Cups and uh things of that nature, different jerseys and shit like that.

SPEAKER_08: 36:55

NBA Cup, different jerseys, talking about Bronny James all the time.

SPEAKER_01: 37:00

You know, like let's talk about Prime, NBC, ESBN, ABC. We're we're dipping down everything. Did you see they're gonna come out with a new NBA streak?

SPEAKER_08: 37:09

Yeah, I saw that bullshit.

SPEAKER_01: 37:11

Yeah. Stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08: 37:12

That's the NBA, though. Exactly. And and you know, load management, even though that's that's not the players. We'll get to that later. That's the but again, it's coming from the league. Yeah. Somebody going, you are volunt, you are volunteering for paid time off, making all that money, you're not even hurt, and I paid to come see you. But I bet if you flip that on those people and told them, hey, dog, it's PTO. Don't you get PTO? Huh? But, anyways, let's talk football. My bad.

SPEAKER_01: 37:45

Uh, yes, so week eight, we had honestly a lot of blowouts. So there's not too many games that we want to really talk about, but there were three that kind of stick out to me. Uh, the Jets got their first win against the Bengals, obviously. They were down, uh, I want to say 15, maybe it was 14, but um, in the fourth quarter, they make a comeback. Uh, Justin Fields is listening to the owner, loud and clear. He wasn't even supposed to start. Tyrod Taylor just so happened to not be a go, comes in. Looked like much ado about nothing, same old Jets. And then they come out and they get a win. Getting Aaron Glenn's first win. Um, and that locker room looked elated, as they should. A coach is getting his first win, even though it's halfway through the season. You're one and seven. Fuck it. Why not?

SPEAKER_08: 38:36

But that's a good thing. That that that tells me that players are buying in. And I thought Aaron Glenn.

SPEAKER_01: 38:44

And they wanted it for him.

SPEAKER_08: 38:45

Yes. And Aaron Glenn had a great comment in the pre in the post-game presser. He was like, before you start winning games, you have to learn how not to lose them. And that's so important. Again, godly, I'm going back to Lombardi, but one of the Bill Belichick isms that Lombardi talked about a lot is a lot of teams, a lot of teams lose games. It's not the other team winning, it's a lot of teams losing games. And when you're talking about a Jets organization that really hasn't had a pulse since what? Um what's my man's name down in Tampa?

SPEAKER_01: 39:20

Well, I was gonna say Rex.

SPEAKER_08: 39:22

I was gonna get to him, but they said Todd Bowles. Todd Bowles, he got him to 10 and 6. You know, they didn't make the playoffs. Shout out to Brendan Marshall uh and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Guys never know what it's like to play after uh week 17 or 18, depending on what time of the league you're talking about. But uh then Todd Bowles, he had a little bit of competency there. He has like a down year, not even a terrible year, just a down year. He's out of there. No, no real quarterback. And then you go back to Rex. They've been an incompetent franchise from top to bottom. So Aaron Glenn coming in there trying to change a culture. Sometimes changing the culture doesn't result in early wins at the beginning of the first year because you have to get the culture there so then you can build upon the culture. You got to figure out who's gonna buy in, who's not gonna buy in, who do I want, who am I stuck with, who can I replace? It takes a lot sometimes to turn a football team around, especially for a first-time coach. So, again, let's put the brakes on him.

SPEAKER_01: 40:23

And as a former player, too, and it's funny because the way he just explained it, I mean, look at Dan Campbell, he's the same way. It was they were 3-13. Um his first year with Detroit. Then they go to 9-8. They get that big win over uh uh Aaron Rodgers on Sunday night to kick him out of playoffs, and that was his last game in Green Bay, I believe. Um, and now look at them. Detroit's the toast of the town. They're typically at the top of everybody's list when it comes to teens in the NFL. Wealth of talent, like they're just a super talent, they're deep, and they play with it, they have a style of play. Everybody knows they have a culture. Detroit has a culture, they might have the strongest culture, low-key, today. I mean, the Chiefs have a strong culture, too.

SPEAKER_08: 41:10

But hey, Ray, Rams, too.

SPEAKER_01: 41:12

Yeah, but well, but Detroit's got a strong culture, is my point. They do, yes. They've got a very strong culture. Everybody knows the identity of that football team. Shit, the Patriots. Yeah, well, now, yes, now because remember, what was it?

SPEAKER_08: 41:26

The Bills game. They were getting a couple of those late penalty, they're getting those late hits, and it's like, ah, you don't want to give them 15 yards, but I I see what y'all are doing. Y'all are physical, y'all are playing to the last sound of the whistle. It's a thing. Remember Brian Flores, his first year in Miami. They sucked at the beginning, and then they started winning games and playing hard because he was bringing in a culture, and sometimes it takes the culture a while to set in. But as I talked about earlier, you can have the schemes, but you got to be buttoned up. Being buttoned up starts with the culture.

SPEAKER_01: 42:04

What do you think Ross culture is? Just showing his chest. Yeah, wide open. I'll give you an example. Dan Quinn brought a culture here. The brotherhood shit was real, it was real. Now that message ended up getting stale at the end, but like it was real. You felt we had an identity, damn it, with Dan Quinn. We really did. We had some somewhat of an identity with him.

SPEAKER_08: 42:38

And we see it with uh with Washington, they don't have the best record right now. But when your number one receiver doesn't show up the training camp because Adam Peters doesn't want to just go ahead and pay him, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 42:50

Like just talk your quarterbacks hurt. He's been here, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 42:54

And Marcus Mariota is throwing the ball for you. And although I don't like the little short guy, but he did tear his ACL and or tell his tear his Achilles in week one. Yeah, Eckler, like he's a valuable piece. Like, yeah, you got a a a nice rookie running back, but having him as the having them as anything. Oh, he's slowed down now.

SPEAKER_01: 43:15

Oh man, yeah, he cost Dell a fantasy football win against me. Good for good for Dale. I love when Dale loses. Yeah, well, Terry McClorn is really who fucked him because Terry, although he got hurt, he's out again this week, by the way. He scored for me, and that's all I needed.

SPEAKER_08: 43:29

So here's the thing with Dale, right? Dale is my biggest nemesis in the league, and I wish bad things on him.

SPEAKER_01: 43:36

He's two and six. I mean, he's not going to the playoffs. He can win out, and I don't think he's gonna get in.

SPEAKER_08: 43:41

So I want Julian Turner to pass him in the record this year. That that that's how that's how much I prey on Dale's demise because you know, he beat me in in the championship. And Dale does not deserve to have a locker room title. Sorry.

SPEAKER_07: 43:58

Yeah, yeah, that's tough.

SPEAKER_08: 44:00

I mean, he's barely in the locker room. Well, that's true. I mean, Eric Boyd might be more locker room than Dale. He's not even in the locker room. At least he's in the gym.

SPEAKER_06: 44:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 44:13

I mean, if we if we played basketball, Dale would be the last person picked. No, no, no, I would pick Dale before I pick Matt.

SPEAKER_01: 44:22

I don't know. It depends on who the teams are. If if if if I'm depending on Matt to guard gambles, then yeah, Matt's gonna be last. But if I have gambles, I'm okay with having Matt just because it's sheer size.

SPEAKER_08: 44:34

Yeah, I'm uh, but if if uh see I I don't want Dale to guard me. Well, because Dale's gonna do this the whole game. Yes, and I'm and he Dale is a beefcake. Pause. But like I I I I can't I can move Josh Holsey around. He he thinks he's strong and all of that. I'll move Josh Holsey around.

SPEAKER_06: 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 45:00

Dale is so strong, even if I get on his hip, you you know he's not a real basketball player, he's a football across guy. So you know how he plays defense.

SPEAKER_01: 45:11

Yeah, but that's why I said this. No, do was do was doing the same thing when we played. Which Josh Josh, I can shoot over him. No, I know, but I'm just saying, that was that they the the tactic that they took against me was everybody's like, well, I'm stronger than Pierce. So like I'm gonna be as physical as possible with him.

SPEAKER_08: 45:35

And every time I got to the basket, Josh Holsey would just wrap me up and say, ball up top. And we're playing outside, and you can't you couldn't shoot a jumper.

SPEAKER_01: 45:44

You know, nobody the wind, it was it was kind of cool, but a little bit of wind was going on out there. That's why I told him I said, guys, this is a completely different fucking game in a gym. Or at least let's get it on a hot summer day. We played in February. We was like February, right? January, yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_08: 46:03

Playoff rule. In in Tampa to our to just so the audience knows, like, we're not playing in January in brick ass cold.

SPEAKER_01: 46:09

Yeah, we weren't in Massachusetts or anything, but like but it was still like 55. It wouldn't it wouldn't be?

SPEAKER_08: 46:15

And let's play let's play real basketball. Let's just not foul somebody every time they beat you.

SPEAKER_01: 46:20

Yeah. But uh back to football. Yeah, um, so yeah, that was one of the highlights of week eight. Uh another big one here was the Ravens got a win uh with Snoop Huntley. They put Snoop Huntley in over Cooper Rush, and they did win. That's Pro Bowl quarterback, Snoop Huntley, to anyone out there that cares. Um they got a win, and I think that that's a pretty good win, honestly. They beat a Bears team that was four and two that had won four in a row. Um, they set up the platter for them, especially with the way that Pittsburgh is starting to lose games, to essentially have a shot at winning this division. Still, because of how talented we know Lamar Jackson is, how good of a coach we know John Harbaugh is. That's the type of win that saves the season. So that was just another one of those games that kind of stuck out to me. And then, of course, Aaron Rodgers did go against the Packers.

SPEAKER_08: 47:11

Hey, I got one thing on uh Caleb, uh Caleb Williams. Go for it. Listen to 520 in the morning on Tuesday.

unknown: 47:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 47:19

And uh Colts linebacker Zaire Franklin's on that show on Tuesdays. And uh somebody asked him who's like you know, hardest person to tackle in the league. And he said Caleb Williams is one of the hardest people to get on the ground in the NFL. And he referenced that wild throw he made to DJ Moore.

SPEAKER_01: 47:42

Just how he can just get out of stuff. It checks out, he's such a uh I I want to say, I hope that I know that this has got to be a word, improvisationist.

SPEAKER_08: 47:53

I'm gonna say it's a word. I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_01: 47:56

He's very good at improving, and like that's kind of, I mean, that we talked about it that that uh when the season began, kind of was that that's why they brought in Ben Johnson, right? So that he can actually flow through the office and actually have his reasons because he's so used to playing that way. That's all he did at USC, that's all he did at Oklahoma. And that's okay in college when you're much faster and bigger than dudes, right? Like, and you're just that much more talented, even in the NFL. Everybody's as fast as you, you know what I mean? Like all those guys, if Miles Guerrins coming around the edge, he is gonna fucking get you, dude. Like it doesn't really matter what happens, and so um, yeah, that doesn't surprise me in terms of just from the way we've seen him play.

SPEAKER_08: 48:37

Yeah, I mean, he's one of the most talented players in the league. He just doesn't put it together all the time, you know. He he's more consistent, but he reminds me a lot of Lamelo Ball. Yeah, you just go, wow, this person is more talented than everybody else. Yeah, why is this not working all the way? This should look better than this, yeah. But uh Lamelo's a YN uh running around Charlotte and boy. Funny stories about Lamelo that I will not share here.

SPEAKER_01: 49:10

Right, right, right. Um, but then the other game that was pretty much a highlight was obviously Aaron Rodgers playing against the Packers. Uh, although the game was not in Lambeau, and I'm sure that that would have just made for much more pomp and circumstance. It still kind of counted because it is the Packers that he was playing against, and Jordan Love and the fact that he kind of gave him the keys um right before his departure. He gets to go against them, and Jordan Love looks fucking fantastic. Uh Aaron Rodgers doesn't look bad, but like I don't know, the defense isn't good. Like, in reality, they were up nine at the half. So, like they got Kyle Duggar. Yeah, we'll see what that does. But uh it doesn't matter if Jalen Ramsey's gonna get burnt by uh Romeo Dobbs. You know what I mean? Or Tucker Kraft.

SPEAKER_08: 49:59

Shout out to Dobbs. Uh, real quick, shout out to my man Najee B. He's uh living in the world that we're living in right now. Now, he loves Tomlin. He's not, he, he's not, but he he's over it. Tomlin standing by his D his D coordinator. Highest paid defense in the NFL looking like this.

SPEAKER_01: 50:18

Is it really? They're the highest paid defense in the league. Yeah. I mean, I know obviously TJ got paid, but well, they got Hayward, they got Jalen and J. Jalen's still making, yeah, he's still making money. Uh they probably paid Slay at least eight, nine.

SPEAKER_08: 50:34

Just but yeah, no, they're like I think their defensive payroll is like 136 million or some shit like that.

SPEAKER_01: 50:40

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_08: 50:42

And they suck.

SPEAKER_01: 50:44

Yeah, they're bad. They're they're they're the the step, they're the tier right before you get to that cowboys defense. Like, that's how bad it is. Certainly their pass defense. Like, literally, the Packers were up, and then they just kept throwing the ball. Like, they weren't even trying to run it. And they've got Josh Jacobs, and they weren't even trying to run it. They were like, no, we're just gonna throw that bitch because they can't stop it.

SPEAKER_08: 51:06

I think it was personal too. For LaFleur.

SPEAKER_01: 51:12

Uh against who though? Tomlin?

SPEAKER_08: 51:15

Nah, Aaron.

SPEAKER_00: 51:16

Oh, Aaron. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 51:17

He's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you why we moved off you. Look what we're doing with these young receivers. But uh shout out to Jordan Love for having a great game. Uh love it for him.

SPEAKER_01: 51:30

Love it for you. You're gonna be starting him this week, huh?

SPEAKER_08: 51:33

Absolutely. Uh I'm just glad he had that game in front of Aaron because it was just nice to see because he and Aaron had a much better relationship. And despite Aaron losing, I think if he takes a step back, he's proud of his young boy for balling out like that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:49

Yeah, Aaron doesn't strike me as far.

SPEAKER_08: 51:53

No, he's not.

SPEAKER_01: 51:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 51:55

Leading up to the game, they talked about it, but Aaron had a rule that Jordan Love had to speak up in meetings, or he was, or he would get fined. Because he just wasn't talking, and it helped him build his confidence and speaking in front of the team, and also showing the team that he knows his stuff and he's asking the right questions. So that's enough to tell me that Aaron's proud of who Jordan Love has developed into.

SPEAKER_07: 52:19

Right.

SPEAKER_08: 52:21

Because he wasn't happy about him coming there and taking it and knowing that he. And that's another reason why I hate the Aaron Rodgers narrative just because he didn't want to take the COVID vaccine and he's kind of and he's he's a spectrum.

SPEAKER_01: 52:42

And he likes ayahuasca and stuff.

SPEAKER_08: 52:44

And he only talks to Pat McAfee, honestly, and you know, Square Media hates that because Pat McAfee's not real, you know. You know, Whitlock says he was selected, even though he's one of the few people who went mainstream after being underground because he organically built his fan base, but neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_01: 53:02

Well, I think Pat's good for uh sports television.

SPEAKER_08: 53:07

Me too. He's entertaining, he knows his stuff, and he also brings in people to fill in the gaps. I mean, the man can call Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Not many people can do that.

SPEAKER_01: 53:22

Yeah. And I saw that we had here on the docket. I might as well, since it's part of week eight, uh Chiefs back. Sure looks like it.

SPEAKER_08: 53:32

That offense is humming.

SPEAKER_07: 53:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 53:35

Uh Rasheed Rice. Kareem Hunt on my bench, two touchdowns.

SPEAKER_01: 53:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 53:42

I mean, Travis Kelsey's still up and down.

SPEAKER_01: 53:44

You know, got hurt, by the way. Just giving you a heads up.

SPEAKER_08: 53:48

Oh, Kareem Hunt's already in the lineup. Uh you know, Travis Kelsey hit and miss. He had some drops, but he also made some big plays. And now that Mahomes has his weapons and can can utilize every blade of grass on the field. Hope he can score some points because the defense ain't what it used to be.

SPEAKER_01: 54:10

I mean, they looked good this past week. Now, granted, that was against Marcus Mariota.

SPEAKER_08: 54:15

But um against Marcus Mariota.

SPEAKER_01: 54:17

They still only held him to seven points, and some people even kind of question whether Terry really caught that ball. I thought he did. Yeah, as a kid. Yeah, I thought he I thought he did. But um, yeah. I mean, I tell you what, we'll get that litness test this week, right? They play the Bills. Uh are the Bills good? I mean, they won 40 to 3 against Carolina. Not that that matters, it's Carolina, but I mean, considering we lost to them 30 to nothing in that same scenario, and we beat the Bills. It's kind of weird how this stuff works, right? But like, um yeah. Yeah, I think the Bills, I think the Bills are still a quality NFL team. Like, I still think that that's a pretty good football team. Um, and yeah, I I I I like the Bills. I like the Bills, but that's also been a house of horrors for the Chiefs in the regular season the past years. Now, obviously, no problem, playoffs, but that is a game that they've been losing in the regular season. Out of them two and three losses that they'll have a year, typically they drop one to Buffalo. So this week, oh, not to mention this game is gonna mean something. If you are a believer that the Chiefs will overtake the Broncos for the division, hell, the Bills need to win because the fucking Patriots keep winning. So it's an important game. Yeah, it's an important game uh for both of them.

SPEAKER_08: 55:34

Hey, speaking of the Bills and uh the Falcons and the Patriots, I opened up Instagram because I'm addicted to my device. Yeah, and uh oh, Brick says uh Drake May feels a lot like Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_01: 55:49

But you know, Dick said that before the Bills game. Before the he said that he said that on Sunday night football when they they talked to him, he literally said that he reminds me a lot of Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_08: 56:05

The Drake May hype train is trying to catch up to Wimby. We'll get to that later.

SPEAKER_01: 56:11

I don't think it'll catch up there. He's gonna have to win something first. Now, Wimby doesn't have to win anything because the NBA is an individual sport. Now, I know the NFL is a quarterback-driven sport, but like, nah, Wimby, Wimby's different.

SPEAKER_08: 56:26

And speaking of, I'm so happy we're gonna have uh Chet in the Olympics.

SPEAKER_01: 56:33

Oh, yeah, we'll get to get that matchup.

SPEAKER_08: 56:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 56:36

On the on a national stage.

SPEAKER_08: 56:38

I mean, because that's that's who we need.

SPEAKER_01: 56:41

Well, not national, I'm sorry, world stage. Yeah, yeah, world stage.

SPEAKER_08: 56:46

Um politics are up by 19, by the way.

SPEAKER_01: 56:51

Yeah, I've been kind of checking it here and there, and you know, nah, it's too late because it's uh but this is the NBA. Remember, it's the NBA teams blow, they will blow a 15. It's crazy because basketball is a game of runs, and I know that everybody's heard that, but like it is so true. A team can go on a 10-0 run in one minute, right?

SPEAKER_08: 57:14

Donovan Mitchell can get hot. Yeah, I don't see it happening this time just because you know uh Cleveland's Cleveland's two for 11 from three, so if they get a couple open looks and and just correct back to the to the mean, uh, we got a game here.

SPEAKER_01: 57:31

Well, you want to know what the real I'm looking at the box score now. You want to know what the true issue is? Why is DeAndre Hunter shot 11 threes? And it's the third quarter. Why has he shot 11 threes? He's three of eleven. Donovan Mitchell's five of seven from three. And it just makes you wonder. Why is why is DeAndre Hunter shooting the ball so much? It's kind of like how we were talking about Naw. It's like, why the fuck is Naw shooting all these shots?

SPEAKER_08: 57:59

No.

SPEAKER_01: 58:02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 58:03

If I was a visiting team, uh when Naw, every time he shoots, I would just play the Chief keep No.

SPEAKER_07: 58:10

Right.

SPEAKER_08: 58:13

What we got next? We got some games to preview.

SPEAKER_01: 58:17

Uh, yes, we do to not give away picks or anything. But looking ahead, obviously, we kind of just broke down the Chiefs bills a little bit.

SPEAKER_08: 58:25

Hey, take the Pats. They're covering. I don't know what the line is. Take them. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 58:30

You know, it's funny. I I had thought about throwing it in to stay away from it at all. It's not in the six-pack. You can throw it in the least three, of course. It's five and a half is the spread.

SPEAKER_08: 58:40

I'm just telling y'all, take them.

SPEAKER_01: 58:44

Yeah. Um do some crazy shit though, because we got an interesting one though with Colts Steelers. Um, they're traveling to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's trying to avoid a three-game losing streak. Colts obviously best team in the NFL record-wise, and just the way that they look, and they've got the presumable half midseason MVP and Jonathan Taylor, no doubt. Like, um, you know, Baker kind of close second in MVP. I think Mahomes, obviously, he's up there still, too. But um, that ought to be an interesting one. Broncos, Texans, you got a defensive slugfest coming there. Uh, we put our hands all over that matchup um in the picks. I've got two picks out of that game. Um, yeah, you know, Seahawks commanders, obviously, prime time. Jaden Downs will be back. That should be interesting.

SPEAKER_08: 59:33

Real quick on Jonathan Taylor, he has 850 uh carries for 12. For 12 touchdowns.

SPEAKER_01: 59:41

What do you mean 850 carries? 850 yards?

SPEAKER_08: 59:45

Excuse me, 850 rushing yards, 12 touchdowns, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 59:49

Yeah, he's well, it's an overall touchdowns, I think, is 15 that he's got total receiving and rushing. And you know, everybody's talking about you know, does he have a chance to?

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:03

Uh yeah, 14. 14 total.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:06

Yeah, he I mean he he definitely should get because what L T I thought LT's a 31 though, right?

unknown: 1:00:15

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:16

And I don't remember if those were all rushing or not, but doubt it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:22

Yeah, it doesn't seem right. Most total touchdowns, 31. 28 rushing.

SPEAKER_07: 1:00:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:32

Golly.

unknown: 1:00:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:34

Most of the single season. Imagine having him on your fantasy team that year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:38

Well, you won. Because you were winning single-handedly because of him. Every week. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You put up numbers.

unknown: 1:00:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:48

You see everybody else to show up to the arena, kind of like, you know, when you play for the Bulls. You know, Mike gonna do him. You know what I mean? Everybody else has got to show up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:57

Yeah. Look at the numbers.

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:00

Tired of Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:03

Yeah. Yeah. Well, before we get to Mike, just so we can crescendo out of the uh NFL, just because you got it here for us. Kirk wants to start. Does Kirk get the start?

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:16

No. He might be able to go back home and back up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:25

I'm interested in that too, because it's like, is JJ McCarthy ready to go or not?

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:29

Is JJ McCarthy good or not? Is Justin Jefferson gonna have to continue to struggle through this? Yeah. Are the fantasy owners of Justin Jefferson gonna have to continue to struggle through this?

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:42

Hey, look, we might get a call that says Kirk Cousins on his way. Because think about he doesn't really have to, maybe there's new terminology, but he won't have to learn too much. Hell we saw the Minnesota Vikings bring in um what's the uh aerospace engineer that came into the Mercedes-Benz and beat us last year or two years ago?

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:00

Two years ago, Josh Dobbs. Nigga got got to the team on like Wednesday and beat us on Sunday.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:04

I don't think he got there Thursday.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:06

You may be right. Yeah, I know he didn't know the plays.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:10

He didn't know the plays, and it's because they have that rookie that they drafted. He got hurt on the first drive. Comes in.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:18

And then we lose.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:19

Yeah, it looks like a fucking miracle worker. I mean, water to one like that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:23

But um I I don't I mean, where where could he start? I mean, uh, if I'm the Jets, I'm not taking on that salary for what? We suck.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:38

Well, it just wouldn't make sense for him to go there. Because remember, Kurt's gotta accept the trade too, which maybe at this point he's open to anywhere as long as he can basically make himself more money, right? Like that would be the thought.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:49

I just don't think he wants to go out this way. Hey, Flacco's hurt. Is he? Yeah. He got hurt in that Jess game. I read somewhere. Flacco's hurt. Let me pull it out. Let me see something about that. He's 50-50 to face the bears, coach said six hours ago. He got a shoulder injury.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:17

Oh, I know that they don't want to uh you're making me want to change my picks real quick. I didn't they I didn't pick them, but maybe I want to hop on the bears now. Like they're gonna lose, they're gonna lose if if if Vlacco got playing, like it's a it's written.

SPEAKER_08: 1:03:30

I mean, nobody wants to go into a game with Jake Browning. I mean, I know Jamar Chase doesn't. I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't. I mean, Zach Taylor coaching for his job doesn't. Speaking of Taylor, did you see Joy Taylor and those butt pads?

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:48

So I did, and I liked it on Twitter because I meant to send it to you. And sometimes I'll like stuff on Twitter just so I can go back and send it to you. I did see it, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:03:56

The first time I saw it, I go, are those butt pads? And then it showed up in a couple of group texts, and I go, Okay, yeah, those are butt pads.

SPEAKER_07: 1:04:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:06

So that's not Joyce butt. I've seen her workout videos before.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:10

Well, it was either gonna be that, or you would have thought maybe she uh went under the knife.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:14

But um, she's been too vis visible on social media. You know, you gotta sit down for a second when you go under that knife. Wait for the next two-week hiatus.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:24

Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people still think she'd be a good fit on the Joe Budden podcast, but I think she'd be a great fit on Washington winning.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:34

No, no, she wasn't. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:42

Moving along. You don't no. Do you think she would be a fit on our show?

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:47

I think for the idea of her for sports, no. I mean, I don't I don't everything else, she'd be great. But to actually talk ball and shit, no. She wouldn't be a good fit.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:07

Well, no, because nobody goes to Joy Taylor to talk sports.

unknown: 1:05:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:15

Yeah. Yeah. She's something to look at. Uh which is something to look at in college football, too, while we stay on football. These college coaches, man, these firings, these buyouts. BK. And I believe you said that you were ready to eat your crow. Um, so I will give you the floor, but Brian Kelly fired from LSU, no surprise on this side. Lee, take it away.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:47

Brian Kelly had to go. He's too good for them to not be good enough. So he had to go. Now, it was a mismatch from the start. But I believed in Brian Kelly, the coach. I saw what he did at Notre Dame, I saw what he did at Cincinnati, I've I've read his resume. I I just believed he could figure it out. But you know, Rex Ryan had a great point on get up, you know, pretty much saying, like, hey dog, if you don't fit in, don't try to fit in, just be yourself. Because people can see through that. And it's not that LSU didn't have some highs, but they they just haven't trotted out a complete football team that could compete in the SEC since he's been there. I mean, you have a Heisman trophy winner. Doesn't matter. You get to the SEC championship, but you didn't have a chance. No one believed in you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:53

You know, they played Georgia that year.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:55

Yeah, no one saw you as a contender. Even if you beat Georgia, you may not the only reason you're getting in uh to the playoffs is because you beat Georgia. You know what I mean? And Georgia still has to get in. But I just it just didn't work. He's a Midwest guy. Penn State, call him. I I I think that's I think that's I think that's the answer up there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:24

If I'm being honest with you, I don't think it goes there. I don't think that they want him. You want to know where I think he's gonna land if he takes a job? He's gonna start back down, not from the bottom bottom, but from the bottom. Come on, man. I see him going to like Virginia Tech. Like Holly, I hope not. And it's a winnable conference in reality, though. It would be winnable.

SPEAKER_08: 1:07:45

Yeah, I don't want to see him in the ACC. And I know that at Notre Dame they played, you know, uh ACC schedule, especially during that COVID year. But get this guy in Big Ten land, that's where he belongs.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:01

I mean, it would be intriguing for him to go to Penn State just because you're giving him more, he's getting to kind of keep somewhat the same talent level. Uh expectations will still be high. They would be just as high, low-key. Because that's the point. That's kind of the point of Penn State. They're like, yo, even though LSU's a team that's won a national champion, they've won two in the last, what, since 07, right? And they've been to three. Penn State hasn't been to any, right? And it's like the expectation to win would be the same, though. Because for them, they're like, well, we moved off Franklin for a reason because we're ready for the Mark Rick to Kirby Smart step.

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:46

But the pressure isn't as high. LSU's a bad job.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:52

Um well, because you got to win a national championship in four or five years.

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:56

Yeah, if I'm if I'm Lane Kiffin, if it's LSU or Ole Miss, I'm staying put. LSU's a bad job.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:02

Oh, I take the Florida job if I'm him.

SPEAKER_08: 1:09:04

No, no, no, no. I'm not even getting, I'm just saying if it's LSU or Ole Miss. Yeah, I'm saying it's old miss. Yes, LSU has great uh Louisiana has great talent. There's no in-state rival. You can win a national championship there, you can't compete. Absolutely. Story program. But it's a bad job because of those boosters and BR will want you out of there in four years if you don't win. You know, and and and I don't know if you've seen this nonsense going on, but like the governor is getting involved in the coaching hiring.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:33

Yeah, he's the reason less got not less, ha less. He's the reason uh he got fired because apparently, I don't know if you read it, but apparently he came in and initially they were just gonna fire the offensive coordinator. And of course, BK had pushback on that. It was like that, and like the O-line coach or something, and he had pushback, and then like the governor comes in, and he's just like, get him the fuck out of here, too. Like, because that was the big thing, honestly. Are we gonna pay this guy 54 million dollars? And the governor's probably has some sort of say. I mean, I'm pretty sure the governor is a part of him and the secretary of state actually budget is the state's money, and that is a state job. So um but the governor's also a MAGA guy, and uh, yeah, he wants to build a uh Charlie Kirk statue outside of the campus for whatever reason. I don't I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:23

This turning point shit's getting out of hand, bro. If you want to join turning point, have at it, but like we bro, why are we forcing this on people, dog? This shit ain't that real nigga. I didn't know what turning point was until you know Charlie's demise, RIP. But um, I had never heard of him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:42

Seriously. I mean, I know I've said that multiple times on here. I swear I'd never heard of him.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:46

But the gov but we have to point that out because they're making this a national thing, and people need to know that everyday people didn't know about this this movement.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:55

Who the fuck he was?

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:56

But uh what's his name?

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:57

I'm not on TikTok enough.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:59

But the the governor's also saying the AD's not gonna make the next head coaching hire. Well, what the hell are we doing, man? Governor, go govern the state.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:08

That is that's state business.

SPEAKER_08: 1:11:11

Yeah, but you you we know who's fun we know who pays for the coach. The boosters.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:21

That's town business.

SPEAKER_08: 1:11:22

There was also a story that one of the top boosters wasn't involved in a Brian Kelly hiring, and uh yeah, he's not happy. He wants to be involved in the next hiring. But I think the governor needs to take a step back. But yeah, we got Brian Kelly, he got bought out for what 50 million, over 50 million? 54, 50, damn near 54. You got James Franklin who got bought out for like 49.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:53

You still got even the little guys, though, even the little guys, Norville. You remember the guy who made a name for calling out prime at Colorado State? Yeah, even for a small ass school like that, and I think he was in the last year of his deal or something like that. He didn't have a lot of years left. He got 1.5. That's still a nice little fuck, get the fuck out of here, check if I've ever heard of one.

SPEAKER_08: 1:12:14

Yeah, so college football has to since since it's we have all this volatility, and unlike the NFL, where there's a legitimate off-season and an off-season for the staff, so you can fire, re fire higher, and then build a roster. We've gotta we've gotta create a hard schedule for college football so this stuff can be regulated better. Because it does it doesn't serve anybody well for coaches to be getting fired during the season so often, so frequently, but you have to in order to get started on recruiting for the next coach because you don't want to lose guys and and so on and so forth. So college football has to change what's going on, man, because it's the wild, wild west. And as we saw, well, the NCAA couldn't properly manage college football, the TV network stepped in, and now we just have the Big Ten in the SEC because it's ABC versus Fox.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:12

Right.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:14

And if you watch the football, it does not make sense. USC should not be in the Big Ten. They don't play Big Ten football. This is not a natural college football is still very regional because you're recruiting.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:28

Still on the baseball.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:29

You're still and you're still recruiting kids. Everybody doesn't want to go across the country at 18 to play to play ball. Dogs, niggas want their mama to come see them. And yes, you may get enough money to afford to do all of that stuff, but still.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:44

But then that kind of defeats the whole purpose of getting that money if you're spending it already, especially for the guys that know that they're not going pro or that have a short shelf life in the pros. This is where they do make their money. And Mima shouldn't have to get on a plane and I pay the$800 round trip from uh from LaGuardia to LAX, so you can come see me play. Then I got to put you up in a hotel room. Let's just say it, of course, it's a big week. I want you to see me play against uh Ohio State at the Rose Bowl. That's gonna cost staying out in Beverly Hills. Oh, the travel, getting them a car. You'll run out of brand.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:24

Yeah, bro, it's it's it's it's it's freaking insane. Why is Indiana and Penn and uh UCLA playing each other in conference in a conference game?

SPEAKER_06: 1:14:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:37

Why is Cal in the fucking ACC? Bro, if I just think about it. Stanford too. Bro, just think about this, right? My my daughter lives in the in close to Stanford and Cal. Imagine if she's like a soccer player, volleyball, whatever the hell girl sport she plays, right? And her mother, who's also in California in that area, wants to, you know, regularly support her daughter, like she's done throughout the journey. And she got a game at Georgia Tech? I mean, I'm happy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:15

Yeah, you're pumped.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:17

But like, what's that like for her mom to have to fly to a game at Georgia Tech and then fly to a game at UNC? You know, like this isn't a this isn't it's fucking stupid, man. And and college, you're still a student. Man, what kind of grades are they making? Or we just putting them in online classes, so now we're just making them, we're we're faking them students to make them athletes to make us money.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:41

It it yes, it's it's they basically are on permanent study hall, right? Like that's kind of what it is. Virtual learning. That's the new term, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:51

And I and you know, it made sense for like Johnny Manzel to do virtual learning, you know, Angel Reese, Tim Tebow, like these big too famous on campus. Yes, it makes sense for them to have to do stuff like that, but for that to be what you're doing for your student athletes simply because again, football is a little bit different because you normally play one game at the end of the week, but the other sports? Like, no, if you if you cow and you got UNC and Wake Forest and NC State on the basketball trip, right? Nigga, you in North Carolina for a week and a half.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:29

Well, and then you know the other issue is too. Well, what about when the season's over and they have to return to regular class? Now you've demotivated a student because they're like, man, fuck this. Like, they are they're not even gonna know how to realistically function and go around because the first half of the year they haven't had to do any of this, so they don't really know like how this works. Living in a normal dorm, um, having to go to the normal cafeteria or something. And I'm sure those guys they have their own shit, but like, still, still, yeah, it's it's it's yes. Yes, but it makes you you get comfortable to the point where it's like, nah. And then that that breeds uh uh what would you call it? Sticking your nose up at people, like you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:13

Like it just yeah, and then now we got students getting getting fixed grades so they can stay eligible because they're on a bullshit curriculum, and then the college spits them out and they didn't even get what they came there for, and they're also not a professional athlete. So it's like, damn, I didn't even learn how to become a professional in the place where I'm supposed to learn how to become a professional while also competing. That's why I have an issue with the Big Ten getting venture capital involved, you know. Hey, we need money to make things happen, but I told you about that uh Dr. King speech I was listening to last night. Yeah, we can't lose our humanity in the pursuit of money, and we're losing like in college sports, we're losing our humanity. Lose the recipes, right? Because everything is not about the bottom line all the time. Oh, but it is it excuse me. Everything does not have to be about the bottom line all the time. You you run a business, dog. Yes, you want steady growth every year, but if you make your projections, you set your budget, and you are clearing in the black every single year. And maybe and maybe you could, you know, you get some bigger contracts and you can and you could either give yourself a bonus or you could increase your wages. Even if it's just off of those people on that contract, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:44

Right.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18:44

Because at the end of the day, if you get rewarded with a second contract because these people are killing it, I mean, yeah, you hired them, but they did the fucking work. Correct. For good cohesion, give them you know you probably should break them off some and not just be the owner or the person who's making the money and trying to just make more and more and more and more and more. Hey, everything doesn't have to be about money. Sometimes things are fun.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:16

Huh? Yeah, I was gonna say you reward them, you uh you invest into them, right? Like, uh I'll give you an example just because it's it's kind of how this kind of worked for me. I mean, when my dad got out of college, he didn't just start a business, he had to work for somebody, and somebody came to him and said, LB, you know, you could do this too. Basically, you should start your own business. Like, what can you do? You're a hard worker, you know what you're doing. You you're infusing life into somebody, you're letting them know, hey, you can do this too. And I tell I tell I I always have told our guys this seriously, because I said, I don't expect you to work for me forever. Because I don't, I don't, and it's not because they couldn't if they didn't want to, in a sense of some of these contracts that we've got are permanent, like it is permanent, like the one that we did. Well, we don't have any more, but the one that we did have in California, it's people working for me for eight, nine years, you know what I mean? And so, like, you can work for me for forever. I don't want you to, I don't want anyone to do that forever. Like, there should be growth, and there should be people infusing life into other people, and so um, but for them, it's you know, it's a big bottom line for college sports, and and that was supposed to be the difference between pro and college, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:39

And you know, that's why we love the SEC, what it's been, it matters more, and even in SEC expansion, at least ours is still regional. Yeah, we're spreading West, but we already had Missouri and Texas AM, you know, like it can be sequenced properly, and granted, they they shit the bed with the scheduling, but we could have still our SEC East or SEC West and our Big 12 rivalries going on inside of the SEC. It still flows, and then your your style clashes, you know, your Texas's and your Georgias, your Texas's, your Bamas, your LSUs and your AMs, your your Oklahoma's and your Tennessees, right? Like, those are actually cool matchups, but regionally they still make sense. We're talking about a we're only talking about two-hour flights still. Yeah. You know, drivable game. Like we can road trip Friday when we get off, or we take off on Friday, and Friday morning we pack up the car, we go to the game, have a good time there Friday night, go to the game Saturday, get up Sunday morning, drive back, go to work on Monday.

SPEAKER_01: 1:21:54

Yeah, and nobody wants to be uh flying from Stanford to to Syracuse for a game in November with it with it's no. But speaking of Syracuse, I want to give a shout-out to at I Am Demi Douglas because she is tuned in right now and she has just called me out for standing her up. Um, Demi, the show loves you. We appreciate you watching, and I will make sure to uh get with you after this. But um, that's why I use Syracuse with the stampers.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:23

Yeah, uh get right with you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:25

Speaking of Syracuse, you see Kayen. I did not. So, you know, it's weird. They've been showing all this um, like uh, I guess it's preseason, it's like the exhibitions. Shout out to Booze. Well, I was hoping, but it's weird because it's like big schools going against each other. Normally it's Kentucky versus Morehouse, you know what I mean? Like it should be something like that, but that's not what it's been. It was like when Boozer and them, they played against somebody. Like it was like Texas or something. You know what I mean? Like they played against the school. That's against Rocky Top. That's what I'm saying. So, like, what's up with that? That's weird. I haven't seen that before. I don't know. Uh bottom line. You know, because and clearly they're playing, they they plan, playing because Booze had, if he had 23 and 22, he played the whole game. You know what I mean? Like, like he actually played. Well, the arena was packed. You think the tickets were any cheaper? Or you think they do it, they they follow the NFL's method where preseason games cost just as much as a regular season game.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:23

You've paid for Falcon season tickets more years than I have. So you know the answer to that fucking question.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:29

I know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:30

I I was I was uh I was I'm just being facetious at this point. I know. Where are we at on time? I can't see the clock from here. Uh, we got about 37 minutes left. Uh let's see here. Doo do do do do do do. And I am getting my ass chewed here. Let me get off of that because I don't want to look at that anymore.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:51

Um your text messages.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:53

Uh the bets. I'm sure the text will follow soon. But um let's get to the association. Wild NBA scoring outputs. He had a couple 50-point games so far, almost and almost 50 ball from Lucas, but it's been two. Uh Lloyd Marketing had one. Austin Reeves had one. And actually, no, there's been three. Who had the other one?

SPEAKER_08: 1:24:15

Shea had 55 in double overtime.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:17

She had 55.

SPEAKER_08: 1:24:18

Shay having 55 is okay. That's that's just that Shay in double overtime, 55, no one's tripping. Luca having 49, missing a free throw, nobody's tripping. Austin Reeves having 50 ball, like we we know he has, we know he can do this. No Luca, no LeBron. Then nigga averaged 20 last year with Luca and LeBron and Luca. I mean, and LeBron and AD. The skill sets there, but then to follow it up with 41 the next night. And then Laurie Marcus and they have the first 50 piece since Carl Malone in uh Utah. Then you got Maxy damn near averaging 40.

unknown: 1:25:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:04

Giannis and and and Wimby just yeah, because I think Giannis had like 40 last night. No, he's really close. He had like 38, 39. It's something, but I think it took 38 steps on that on that play. Little bit of betting advice here for anybody. Take the over. Yeah, just take the over because that is actually what's going on right now. The the scoring is insane, not just from an individual, but from a team perspective. Because naturally, if a player is scoring that many points, the rest of the team is still kind of holding narrow. These games, it's honestly not. There was a game yesterday. Well, but wait, there was a game yesterday where I looked at the line. It was uh, I think it was the it wasn't yesterday, maybe it was two days ago. It's like the Grizzlies and like the Warriors. They had the over-under two like 51, and I'm like, no fucking way. Yes, fucking way. They scored, let me tell you something. They scored 73 fucking points in the first quarter. I mean, we are starting to enter the NBA all-star spectrum of scoring at this point.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:08

Well, the the the detached liberals. What about them, Lee? Well, they think more scoring, and not the actual liberals, it's the NBA guys, okay? But the actual scoring, they think more points means uh a better game.

SPEAKER_07: 1:26:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:28

And it doesn't. Even non-defenders in basketball appreciate the defensive side of the game, even if they themselves don't like to play that play that game.

SPEAKER_07: 1:26:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:43

Um but uh I was listening to to Bill Simmons this morning, he and Tim Legler. They they talked some hoops, and they were talking about free throws are up, foul calls are up, and uh guys are shooting in the mid-range too. Because a lot of guys are getting that mid-range Shay shot.

SPEAKER_07: 1:27:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:27:04

And the pump fake, and I uh, and guys who usually don't usually don't get those calls or getting those calls. Shout out to VJ Edgecomb, he's killing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:12

Yeah, man, he's average a 24 a game. He's not supposed to be doing that. Setting himself up for a big fucking payday is what he's doing.

SPEAKER_08: 1:27:23

Setting himself up to get uh Joel Embiid shipped out the door if he can get healthy enough so they could actually get something from him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:32

Would you would you bring him here?

SPEAKER_08: 1:27:33

No, I do it. Why not? Nigga, he got like four years left on his extension.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:41

You come to Kitty!

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:44

I've got the craziest one to send you about that too.

SPEAKER_08: 1:27:46

I had been kind of slacking a little, but um, remind me to tell you a story about an NBA player who plays for the uh the team uh up north when we get off the show.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:00

Okay. Um, but yeah, the scoring has just been insane. I think that uh the league probably should do something about this because unlike the NFL, where scoring is kind of better, I don't know if it's really necessarily better for basketball because it makes you, especially from the betting standpoint, it makes you not want to bet on the shit anymore.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:21

Because no, I mean I'm gonna watch because I'm you but football, part of its popularity is the betting and the fantasy aspect of it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:31

I think that but I think that the NBA loses out on this because of that alone in a weird way. Like, I think it's bad for basketball that there's that, like, because then it's not basketball anymore and it's just a track meet. It's not it's not about uh, you know, until the playoffs, of course, because then you start hitting unders like fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:50

But it's but it's easy, it's not easy to bet the playoffs, but the it makes sense betting the playoffs.

SPEAKER_07: 1:28:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:29:00

It's you know what? I guess wrong. Or oh Nissmith hit four threes in the fourth quarter. You know what I mean? Like watching the game, you understand how you how you missed your bet.

SPEAKER_07: 1:29:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:29:14

But with this regular season shit, I mean Cleveland's down 10 with 420, with 420 left. They might win. We don't even know. And it's not like we don't know on some, ooh, this is intense. It's like well, Boston miss a couple shots, and Cleveland just gets hot. And it I don't know. It's as much as it's up and down, the game doesn't seem as fluid. And even watching New York, you you know, I was texting you during that first game. Wow, their offense looks different. I'm not saying it's better, but everyone's touching the ball, people are moving, they're taking mid range shots, they're getting to the basket. It's not Jalen Brunson just beating the ball into the ground. Well, that nigga had two games of that shit. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I didn't take less money for this. But the league doesn't have time to focus on the product on the court because they got too much shit off the court that they got to deal with.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:13

You mean the gambling? And the and the kawaii? That is falling to the back burner in a weird way because of the gambling. And I in a weird way, do we want to say that that's been manufactured on purpose?

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:28

I don't know if it was manufactured on purpose by the league, but I do think that the FBI doing it uh the opening week of the season. What the hell happened in the last two weeks that made you have to move now that couldn't where you could have saved uh Scary Terry from even having to show up to a game or save Chauncey Billups from having to coach a game and then go to jail the next morning. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:53

Yeah, we're talking not even what they said. Chauncey got someone's banging on his door at 6 a.m. Yeah, like you know what I mean. We can't you know the feds the feds are only gonna bang once, then they just kick your shit in.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:08

And and even that, come on, bro. We talk about Chauncey Billups, and and I know that uh Terry, like Terry Rozier's lawyer came out and said, Yeah, I didn't have to make him do the perk walk. We would have turned ourselves in.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:20

But you know, they need the headlines. You know what the funny thing is? What's up? I think I spoke to you about this while it was going on, which I'm not sure if Demi is still watching, but obviously we literally just saw that nigga. Like he's sitting right next to me at Alibi at Aria, of course, in a casino.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:36

Um, you know, being somebody somebody maybe it was on a podcast, I don't remember, but they were recently they were talking about seeing Chauncey somewhere gambling, or somebody I knew. I I don't remember, but I mean guys gamble, and I talked about this on Village Vets, I'm sure I talked about it here last week because the you know the point remains the same, but I'm not saying that the NBA players were not complicit to some degree.

SPEAKER_07: 1:32:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:32:12

But they also you got organized crime involved, and if you know the history of gambling in America, really gambling, period, but gambling in America and sports gambling in America, you understand that it's it's deeper than it's deeper than just the guy who gets caught. You know, Tim Donahey got caught, and we tried to make him a lone or a lone ranger. Pete Rose got caught, we tried to make him a lone ranger. Michael Porter Jr. got caught, we tried to make him a Lone Ranger. Terry Scary Terry was getting investigated, we tried to make him a Lone Ranger. Malik Beasley. All these guys, we're trying to make it seem like it's one-offs. The players talk about gambling with each other all of the time. They gamble on the fucking team playing. They gamble on the team playing, they gamble in the fucking hotel rooms, they probably have stupid bets going on during the games. I mean, shit, I know I would. Think about it. If you Jalen, if you Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, you LeBron, fuck that. You LeBron and D. Wade in the heat. Healthy D. Wade.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:19

What's a$10,000 bet?

SPEAKER_08: 1:33:22

Hey, D. Wade, I got I got$10,000. Uh I outscore you today. And now neither guy is going to mess up the game because uh$10,000 is not enough for that with those types of guys. Yeah. But it's just it's extra sauce. But it goes to the competition thing. What Kenny was uh trying to explain last week on Inside the NBA, uh with Michael Francis. Oh, golly. If you want to I and I'm not I'm not saying everything he says is true because I I'm not there. I don't know. But he's like, yeah, these guys they gamble, they get in a hole. What happens when you get in a hole, you gotta pay it back. If you don't pay it back, you can't pay it back. I need my money back. I I I need you to to to work the book. I need you to blow the game. And Francis said he's told players, hey, you're uh you go in there, you get in foul trouble early. Hey, you throw two interceptions the first two times you throw the football.

unknown: 1:34:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:34:25

You throw it to the other team. He's he's saying he's told players to do that, and he won't say a name, obviously, to protect them. And so when you see this this dark cloud over it, and guys who are obsessed with competition and and and raising the stakes and risk, uh and then other guys, which which is how organized crime works, right? They they prey on on people's weaknesses.

SPEAKER_07: 1:34:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:34:52

So that they can profit. They don't really have to make the business, they just take they just come walk in your trap, take over your trap. Yeah. It's pretty obvious to me that it's a bigger play here. And this is what Donahe was trying to get out when they were gonna do the investigation that David Stern shut down. Because he was gonna wear the wire. And then Stern outed, then somehow it got leaked that he was cooperating and uh obviously it got called off because uh no one's gonna talk to Donnie because he's cooperating.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:33

There's that, and then there's just more so the idea that this is something that I hate to almost say that this is what the league is built on, but it kind of is what the league is built on. It is competitiveness, right? Yeah, that's what makes Michael Jordan so great. That's what makes Kobe so great. These were guys that were known as competitors.

SPEAKER_08: 1:35:54

Now, I am in no way saying you left the name, you left the name out there talking about great competitors, by the way.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:01

Just you know, for the audience. Those are the first two people that come to mind. I don't typically try to get to a third guy, it's always about the first two that come to mind. But nonetheless, uh, you know, there's a lot of competition out there. And like you said, you wouldn't be surprised if during the game these guys had bets going on. We know Jordan did. It's it's a well-documented you know, we know we know goddamn well Jordan had bets going on. If if this dude, when we see the last dance, this guy is is betting the fucking the fucking security dude. Hey, I bet I can get that quarter closer to the wall than you can. What the fuck type of bet is that? Seriously. What is that? Like, no, but for real, like what is that? What do you mean? I'm betting the the security guy in the hallway if I can get that down there.

SPEAKER_08: 1:36:54

A deeply insecure guy who challenged into greatness. There is a there is a strong level of insecurity that comes with being highly competitive.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:37:12

Because you're having to prove yourself and you have to get it on paper and have it validated to say that you're better than somebody instead of just looking a nigga in his face and like, bro, I'm better than you. Prove it. Nigga, look at my look, look at me and look at you, bro. I'm better than you.

SPEAKER_07: 1:37:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:37:31

Again, when you're when you're totally secure in where you are. Come on, dog. You ain't arguing with these niggas. You just gonna go out and do you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:40

Yeah, you don't even talk about it. I guess that's the thing.

SPEAKER_08: 1:37:43

Exactly. But when you're that competitive, it is driven from insecurity. And again, we all have insecurities to varying levels, so it's not to say that they're bad or or weak. It's just no, I feel like that's where it comes from. But even the MJ thing, and you know, there's all these floating conspiracies out here, but the job of the commissioner is to protect the business.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:05

So, like people It's no longer a conspiracy, though, Lee.

SPEAKER_08: 1:38:09

Well, uh well, some of the MJ stuff, you know, like with you know, rest in peace to his father, like respect well, I don't yeah, I don't know what happened with that, but I think that him retiring, yes, I think that that was 100% a league suspension.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:23

Now, now I do believe that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:38:25

But the timing of it, because it it comes off of his father's passing, you know, and random people rarely get murdered for no reason. Yeah, so that's why I say it's conspiracy land because we're rational adults that can say that just doesn't make sense, and we don't live in crime, but we've put ourselves in position to be victims of crimes, but we were unbothered because we don't live in that world.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:01

Correct. Typically, like you said, when something happens, you are targeted for a reason. I've spoken about this, maybe not publicly on here, but like like I said, I got a home invasion here once, and they told me why they picked me. There was a reason behind it. They were tipped off that I was selling drugs. You drove escalade. Drove an escalade that I had gotten because my mom had passed, and then um my brother had gotten a new truck. He just so happened to have gotten a new truck around the same time, and it wasn't even new, it was like it was like maybe a year old, it was like a Silverado, but like that's new. That's new when niggas is watching. It's new, right, when two vehicles turn into two new ones, two different ones that are different from what you were driving.

SPEAKER_08: 1:39:49

Yeah, and Escalade screams drug dealer.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:54

Yeah, that mine had wheels and shit on it, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:39:57

And and like and like at your age and love the townhouse that at that time, you that young living in that area, that townhouse in the Escalade. I'd say, ah, this nigga selling dope. I wouldn't rob you. I'd be like, ah, like, yeah, the nigga, hey, that nigga down, couple houses down. Yeah, them niggas over there selling dope. They got people in and out all the time because again, you're a college kid, and you know, they sm I'm sure they smelt some stuff from time to time because you're a college kid, parties, people are around, you know. Yeah, it's selling dope. They're in and out of the house all the, you know, because I'm sure you would leave campus and come home and go back if you had a long enough break.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:42

Uh so yeah, that when when I couldn't get my schedule perfect, I always try to stay on campus because then that's why I would say it's your Josh Holsey's, you know, your Julian Turner's.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:52

I just hit the Josh Holsey's, nah, nigga, come stay and fucking leave, just knocking on the door.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:58

Yeah, nah, but you know, when you there will be times where I'd have that hour break, maybe, but like I always try to go back to back. I like I never try to, especially when I got to the major classes, Bank of America. No, we're gonna go from upstairs, downstairs to down the hall, and then we're getting out. Yeah, like and I'll test a five-dollar pizza, man, on my way out, man. And now I got myself lunch, you know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:41:20

And that was the group, that was the good and bad thing about the suite. So for one, midday sex was damn near a no-go for our suite senior year. Because you're in and out, Jews in and out, Marv is in and out, Haitian Josh is in and out, Chris Hawthorne's in and out. Like, all of our friends who did not live on campus are in and out of the suite. No call. Niggas know your schedule or know somebody's gonna be there, and they know they're welcome and just knock on the fucking door. What if I had a little ugly girl in here that I didn't want y'all to see?

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:05

They say, nigga, that's your fault. You shouldn't be bringing her in here if you didn't want us to see her. Yeah. Yeah. But the five out pizza man was who was clutch. He was honestly maybe the most underrated person on campus. Yeah. And that nigga, he now you want to talk about selling drugs. That's what that nigga looked like. He had them pies, nigga.

SPEAKER_08: 1:42:31

Hey, I got all these voided orders. It's it's warm, cold.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:37

He was ordering them on purpose himself, nigga. And then was like, oh, they ain't pick up. They I basically I couldn't, you know, it was set up for a delivery. That nigga, he was selling it on his own. Cause ain't no way Papa John's was teaming up and being like, Yeah, man, just uh go out here and just let's just get rid of some pot in the middle of the day. It'd be one thing it was at the end of the night. Like, you know what I mean? Nah. That nigga was working a shift. I know. This is what I'm saying. And and and he would have like, bro, because everybody was waiting on that nigga, and you know, whenever somebody sees somebody, then you stop too, and you're like, shit, I got five dollars.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:14

Hey, well, you see a nigga with a with a Papa John's pizza at like two o'clock. Five pizza, man. Hell yeah, he over there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:23

Hey, better yet, better yet. Hey, here, bro. I got ten. Go get one for yourself and me. Just bring it back. Like, you know what I mean? Like, nigga, you go pick it up.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:31

Like, uh nigga, come back with a pizza. Hey, nah, let me get a piece. Nigga, no, he's right outside. Go get your own.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:38

It's just five dollars, boss. And this this was think about it. This was before that Chick-fil-A was back there at Kilgore. I kill gore was still Kilgore, but uh yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:49

You ain't nigga, Kilgore costs too much.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:52

If you yeah, no, I never bought shit out of there, but I'm saying, well, the Chick-fil-A was clutch, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:57

But like if you're not using your Morehouse, your tiger books or whatever that shit was in Q.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:01

I didn't have any.

SPEAKER_08: 1:44:04

I lived on campus all four years. Yeah, I I didn't have any, but um, I wasn't spending my cash in there for what 12 hour chicken plate, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:16

Chicken tenders and fries, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:44:18

I can go down to uh to Mercins and get uh$299 BB's.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:23

Yeah, I was about to say actually, I was about I thought that was like a five dollar plate,$4.99.$199 on Mondays, baby. Or even at that point, just go to Popeye. Yeah, if I'm gonna spend$12 on some chicken, yeah. All right, all right, even better yet, churches for for the niggas out there. I'm a Popeye's guy. Nah, I am too, but I'm just saying, but for the niggas out there, a nigga might run over to churches because churches they'll give you that ostrich meat for$299.

SPEAKER_08: 1:44:49

All right, bro. 2000 2010, first semester, uh, first semester freshman, you're no bullshit. The nigga shot a low pulled up to the churches. RIP.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:01

And I was like, bro, you're gonna give me more to it. No, I might y'all just there, and he just you just have to see shorty.

SPEAKER_08: 1:45:08

I wasn't even I wasn't even there. Oh other people was there and saw him, and I'm like, what the fuck y'all niggas was doing at churches? Popeye's across the street. I get if churches is closer. Popeye, nigga, it takes you the same time. The only difference between churches and Popeyes is the side of the street you walk down leaving campus.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:26

Well, and at that point, you'll be able to catch it at some point to just run across. It ain't always gonna be fucking cars coming. So and and and if you really want to save some money, there's Taco Bell right there, which I got food. Me and D Deshawn Green got food poisoning towards the end of our freshman year. I didn't eat Taco Bell for 10 years because of that. But that's not here nor there. Uh we got about uh less than 15 minutes. So I guess let's get to the to the one thing that's pressing. When be MVC MVP season loading, thoughts?

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:00

I mean, if he isn't, he is. It's not gonna matter. I mean we keep talking about him. I mean, they they are winning games, so and he's putting up big numbers, he's improved. Uh, some of the things that I was concerned about before I cr before we crowned him, which I'm still uh concerned about. One is playing a full season. But uh what he's doing is just dominant. I mean, it's it's dominant, and it's people were scared of Wimby two years ago for the team USA. Uh personally, I wasn't. Yeah, I I wasn't scared of Wimby. I'm like, all right, man, yeah, I know he killed in in in the in the in the in the championship game, but he was in France at home, different energy. Um he still gotta gain some weight, but but but now he he's stronger. He's he's finishing through people. You can see the work from the summer, the Hakeem stuff, the Jamal Crawford stuff. Like I'm not impressed with his handles, just pat, pat, pat, but it's impressive because of his height and his ability to not get ripped. You know what I mean? Yeah, like the moves themselves, yeah, they're cool moves. Most NBA players can do them, but at his height, to maintain that control with that with the distance that the ball has to travel, it's it's fucking insane.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:24

And yeah, but he does that 360. He does that 360 layup, and somebody people were trying to be like he's getting glazed, and it's just like nigga. Have y'all ever seen a fucking seven nigga that's 7'5 fucking do that? No, you haven't. Have you ever seen a seven-footer fucking do it?

SPEAKER_08: 1:47:42

The 360 layup was whatever, nigga. Dunk it. I'm with you, but but would Zion lay that up?

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:52

No, but Zion also is taking off to what the purpose of dunking it to begin with. I think that he was just trying to turn and then he kind of caught himself and just did it. Like Fierce, the nigga can can can can Yeah, he doesn't have to jump to dunk. I get it, but like I get it, and he's long enough to just flush it. He can flush it. He could, he could, he could Blake Griffin it. You're Dwight Howard it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:48:15

Like your feet are off the ground and you are at the rim. Dunk the ball. Yeah. But no, Wimby's killing it. Uh I I I enjoy watching it. I'm curious to see what it looks like uh when Swiper gets back because um he just got paid, which means uh they they're gonna follow the money too. Wimby's gonna be Wimby, but uh Swipe was gonna do him. Dylan Harper looks good, but the media is going to make Wimby the MVP because they want him to be the MVP. And uh there's not enough people out there loud enough to uh say anything, you know. The only person who who has shifted a MVP debate, uh one of the most powerful voices in basketball media is uh Kendrick Perkins.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:04

I knew that you were gonna say too.

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:06

The guy who put Ja Morant on ESPN more games? The guy who's lost friends because he ain't holding punches, he's being serious about what he does in this media game.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:23

You mean KD Russ and Braun?

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:26

I mean, that's a terrible those are the friends he named. Yeah, I mean that's those are terrible three to to lose over doing your job.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:33

You let KD tell them niggas were never friends anyway, they were just teammates.

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:38

I mean, Perk, I mean Perk, he was the pulse of that locker room, though. He he was the anchor. He was.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:43

He was.

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:44

He was hey, real quick, uh, what are your thoughts on the MVP on Wimby MVP glazing and all of that? I'm sorry, I'm talking too much.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:51

Uh honestly, statistically, so far, I mean, they haven't lost a game, and his numbers are insane. So, like, he's on pace. Obviously, he's not gonna keep this up. I don't record-wise, they're certainly not gonna go undefeated, right?

SPEAKER_06: 1:50:03

So 30 and 12.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:05

But I'm gonna be honest with you, if they win 47 games and he averages 30, 13, and five blocks and four assists, they're gonna give it to that nigga. They are they're they're already trying to give the award out to other people, anyways, because Jokic should have won it last year. Shea got it. I'm not, and nobody's disappointed that he got it, because obviously he capped off one of the best seasons you can have in NBA history. But that was Jokic's award in reality, too. And so it's like they want to give the award to somebody new.

SPEAKER_08: 1:50:36

He's the somebody new, they're turning the MVP award into the NFL MVP awards, it's becoming a big man award.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:47

Well, this gets back to our conversation uh that we had off air about guards in general, and that's why these niggas don't get paid like that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:50:56

Because let's talk about the max players who put up MVP caliber numbers. Um, I think Harden only got one, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:14

He's not he's not a little guy, but like he's also not a big dude. I mean, he's he's big by standard of any normal person, but like he's not a big guy in the NBA. Yes, but I I'm I should have those guys are only getting one, though. There's no multi-time MVP guard. Hell, Kobe only got one. Jordan's about the only nigga for real, for real, if you just look at it. Steve Nash guard that's gotten the award multiple times. Steve Nash. I mean and we know that he didn't deserve one of those, maybe both of them, but Jason Jason Tatum.

SPEAKER_08: 1:51:49

Well, and Shay, obviously, Shea just won it last year, but he's a 6'7, 6'6 guard.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:55

Like Luca doesn't even have one yet.

SPEAKER_08: 1:51:58

No, Jason Tatum is making the case for MVP right now, man. I was trying to tell you. Yes, they did beat the Cavs today, but we've we've won you've seen that product. You've seen that product, you've seen the product out there. You've probably bet on or against it. Jason Tatum is making a very strong argument as to why he is a top five guy and should be an MVP in this league at some point. We gotta get back, we gotta get back to rewarding what American basketball is. And it's kind of racy, but I'm not being racist, I promise. We even with the guard stuff you were talking about, the NBA don't support nigga basketball no more. The way we learn how to play basketball, watching the NBA, watching our favorite college players, they don't reward that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:52

No.

SPEAKER_08: 1:52:54

This nigga Cam Thomas Oak Hill leading score, went to LSU averaging a dub, come in the league, averaging a dub. Is Cam Thomas is he good or is he just good stats, bad team? I don't know. You get a nigga the ball, he puts it in the basket.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:14

Nobody looks at Cam Thomas as a player that if you add him in their lacking guard play. Like, okay, let's imagine Desmond Bain doesn't go to the magic, and Cam Thomas does, right? He adds the element that they were asking for because they do have defensive guards. Does Cam Thomas average 25 a game with the magic? Nah, he's coming off the bench and averaging 18. Right. So it's like his style of basketball doesn't fit winning basketball. That's the issue. Like, it's not that he can't score, it's just that that isn't, you're not James Hart. We don't need you to drop 50 in a game one against the Celtics. We don't.

SPEAKER_08: 1:53:52

But how do we fix that? Because these types of guys are getting pushed out of the league or taking lesser deals for niggas like Jake La Ravia. And nobody in no basketball player's mind is Jake LaRavia better than Cam Thomas.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:13

I agree. I'm looking at this now though, but look at this. So just because I'm look literally looking at the box score as we speak, Cam Thomas is five for 17 tonight with 15 points. So that's another thing with a guy like him, too. He will have these type of nights.

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:27

And it doesn't get other people involved.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:30

Yeah, and I'm guessing Trey Young got hurt by the way. He says he's only played seven minutes, but um, but Michael Porter's got 30. You know, that's somebody who's got a hundred million dollar contract that they traded for that will probably get another one in reality. But he's 6'10. His but his injury helped him. Yeah, because he fell to a good team and he won a ring.

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:54

Not only did he fall to a good team and won a ring, he had to be a role player in order to play. Because remember, he wasn't playing early with Mike Malone.

unknown: 1:55:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:08

It's like, hey, dog, get this young nigga in. He can hoop. He's 16, this nigga's 16, goddamn shooting guard.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:14

Uh, but yeah, but he because he was forced into that situation, and because of his injury, it's like, okay, you're not gonna be, you're not gonna be the star that you thought you were you were gonna be because he was supposed to be number one overall pick.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:27

That is the way that they that he was talked about, certainly. Um, which the intangibly, like when you look at him, it's like, yeah, I'd like that on my team. That's a guy that can shoot the ball. He's 6'10, he can dribble. Um he can play, he can play pretty much every position. I mean, that's like the thing, versatility, which is another thing that these small guys don't bring, which is why they're not getting paid. They can only do one thing. That's all Cam Thomas can do, can't distribute the ball, not a fucking great, like, it's not like Russell Westbrook, right? Where he's a great rebounding guard either. Like, so it makes a ton of sense.

SPEAKER_08: 1:56:00

And Russ is so much better. He was just he's just so much better than the average that you just deal with it. Uh, let's get to the picks.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:09

We are cutting it real close.

SPEAKER_08: 1:56:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:13

I'm ready though. I already have I I did my pre-production here. I got uh everything down.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:20

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for Parlay Ps college football.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:33

666. All right, so we'll kick this one off with where college game day is gonna be. We got Cincinnati at Utah. I like Cincinnati to cover the 10 and a half. Um, they've been playing for some really good ball. Luke Fickle, fuck you. All right. Next, we got Duke at Clemson. I think Kate Klubnick is back, if I believe all the reports I saw. Give me Clemson on the money. Uh next, we got New Mexico at UNLV. Another candidate that people keep talking about is UNLV's coach, Mr. Dan Mullen. Give me UNLV minus two and a half. Uh next, we got Texas Tech at Kansas State. Kansas State blew doors on Kansas last week. They come back down to earth this week. I like Texas Tech to uh cover here on the spread at minus six and a half. And then we got Georgia at Florida. Come on now, guys. Give me Georgia on the money line. Uh, it's kind of undervalued, so I really like that. We know Georgia's not gonna lose this game. And then next we got Penn State at Ohio State. I like Ohio State to cover the 20 and a half. I mean, that the team's in disarray.

SPEAKER_08: 1:57:29

All right, so we got Sensi plus 10 and a half, Clemson on the money line, UNLV minus two and a half, Texas Tech minus six and a half, UGA on the money line, and Ohio State minus 20 and a half.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:39

That is correct. All righty, ladies and gentlemen, it is time for Parlay PFL six.

unknown: 1:57:53

Six, six, six.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:54

All right, so we're gonna uh start this one off popping hot. Uh maybe the game of well, I guess this would be the game of the week. Kansas City Chiefs at the Buffalo Bills. I'm gonna take the Bills as a dog at home. I think that this is a good spot for them. They typically always win this matchup. Give me the Bills on the money line. Next, we got the Indianapolis Colts at the Pittsburgh Steelers. They got the over-under set at 50 and a half. I like it to be a scoring, high-scoring affair, honestly. Pittsburgh's defense isn't good. And Aaron Rodgers, they're gonna have to put up points in order to stay up with the Colts. I like over 50 and a half. Next, we got the Sunday Nighters, Seattle at the Commanders. DQ's not just gonna keep going out like this. I like the Commanders plus three and a half at home. Jaden Daniels will be back. I expect him to be able to cover this three and a half spread. Next, we got the 49ers at the Giants. From my understanding, Brock Purdy will be back. I like the 49ers to go in there. No camps got a boo, no problem. Uh, and plus they will be coming off of another loss, even though I hope that they do lose for the Falcons' sake. But then again, I guess it won't matter with us. Give me the 49ers on the money line. Then next, the game that we're gonna do a doubleheader in here with the Bets. We got the Denver Broncos at the Houston, Texas. I like under 41 and a half and Broncos money line because they are dogs, and I don't expect points to be scored because these are two elite defenses.

SPEAKER_08: 1:59:08

Under 40 and a half? 41 and a half. Under 41 and a half and Broncos on the money line. So we've got we got Bills on the money line, Colts and Steelers uh over 50 and a half. Uh Commanders plus three and a half, 49ers on the money line. Broncos uh at Texans under 41 and a half, and Broncos on the money line.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:31

There you go. We've got to beat the clock, please.

SPEAKER_08: 1:59:39

All right, so for Lee's three, we're gonna go UGA on the money line. I'm gonna take Ohio State minus 20 and a half and give you the Broncos on the money line.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:47

Hey, I love that. Well, all right, man. It's funny as always, Lee. I'm gonna press the button now.

SPEAKER_08: 1:59:53

All right, Doc. Press it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:55

All right.